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Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:06AM (#34816207)
I saw a video a few weeks ago of five American police beating a man to death. They repeatedly picked him up like a ragdoll and punched him. Then they propped him up against a police car and left him to die while they all stood around talking.

Things like this happen in big countries. I personally find the incident I described much more disturbing than the incident you described. At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by seanmcdirmid on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:11AM (#34816249)
I’ve seen a bunch of guys in Shanghai whomp on a guy trying to still a girl’s purse. The police just watched, it was Justice in their mind anyways. Things like that just happen I guess, it’s weird that I’ve seen this on TV in the states but never in real life.

I saw things in China that I would never see anywhere else, like a girl get killed when she was hit by a taxi (she was going against a red light, the taxi driver was going way too fast). The thump/crunch sound is one I’ll never forget. I guess it’s because there are so many people that the odds are good that you’ll see something crazy happen in real life and not just see it happen on TV.

I’m really glad I left China before COVID happened. From what I’ve heard from my friends still in Beijing, things have been really tough for the last couple of years. Yes, lives were saved by the suffering, but I’m still glad I personally didn’t have to go through it.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by vore on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:11AM (#34816251)
I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets?

In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by sohkamyung on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:25AM (#34816341)
> why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets

Maybe due to fear (at that time) that the pets would transmit COVID to human. One example is this hamster cull at a Hong Kong pet store [1].

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by throwawaaay129 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:31AM (#34816382)
How is beating pets to death political posturing..? Someone thought it'd make them look good?

Most likely it was some misinformed overzealous local official. Pets from pretty early on in the pandemic have been known to catch corona. I think the question of if you can catch the virus from a pet is inconclusive (last I heard) - but obviously very unlikely

If you are trying to get to zero COVID so your city isn't shutdown and thousands of people don't loose their way of life then you're prolly quarantining sick people. No one to take care of their potentially disease spreading pets, so local official decides better safe than sorry

It's messed up, but it's totally not unreasonable for someone on the local level to make this kind of call in a high pressure situation with minimal guidelines and the safety of a city on the line

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by vore on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:37AM (#34816428)
Sorry, I meant the kind of reporting in both the US and China on these things is political posturing, not the killing of the pets.
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by tkanarsky on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:33AM (#34816399)
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by libraryatnight on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:49AM (#34816491)
Putin really does love that Soviet playbook.
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:28PM (#34825485)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

If you're going to condemn an entire country based on local police killing a dog, surely the fact that police in your country frequently beat human beings to death is relevant.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by wolverine876 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:28AM (#34816358)
> Things like this happen

A common talking point for evil. Everything happens; the statement means nothing. People die of cancer with and without treatment. Bugs are in software made by great coders in organizations with great process, and by bad coders with bad process.

So is everything pointless - freedom, democracy, cancer treatment, coding skill and process, etc. etc.?

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by 127 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:29AM (#34816360)
>At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives.

What's your evidence for this?

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by dtech on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:27AM (#34816352)
> At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives.

Has it though? It seems to have mostly delayed things, things got horrible when they reopened a couple of months ago...

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by pas on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:23AM (#34816323)
Debatable. Their boneheaded way of brute-forcing lockdowns probably caused more harm overall. And they failed to contain it!

Not to mention the whole problem of not allowing foreign vaccines.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:53PM (#34826970)
China's zero-CoVID policy involved a lot more finesse than "bone-headed lockdowns."

After the initial Wuhan outbreak was brought under control in early 2020, the vast majority of people in China didn't experience another lockdown until well into 2022. Life was actually much more normal in China for most of the pandemic than people in the West tend to think. It was much more normal than in the West for much of the first two years of the pandemic.

From spring 2020 until spring 2022, the main measures were 2-3 weeks of quarantine for people arriving in China, contact-tracing (supported by smartphone apps), and large-scale PCR testing (imagine testing everyone in a city of 10 million people in 3 days, and then doing it again). Lockdowns were rare until mid-2022, and were reserved for situations in which the other measures weren't enough.

That strategy worked extremely well for a long time - long enough to develop vaccines and administer them to 90% of the population.

I don't know when the decision was made to transition out of zero-CoVID, but the transition began in November 2022. It appears that the government initially wanted to do a slow transition, but then decided to completely open the floodgates in early December 2022. The fact that the virus spread so rapidly after that decision is a pretty dramatic demonstration of just how effective the measures were beforehand. After they lifted control measures, everyone was infected within two months.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by glogla on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:21AM (#34816308)
Your post history is full of pro-China political posts. Why are you on this site?
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by peyton on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:36AM (#34816414)
Pro-central government, even. 五毛网络评论员
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by throwawaaay129 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:54AM (#34816523)
I don't post anything positive about China on any account associated with my name. In the current zeitgeist it'd be career suicide and with all the frothing at the mouth in the public discourse with the US itching for a cold war - I honestly think in a few years it won't be safe to have that on your internet record
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by twixfel on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:07AM (#34816585)
It's certainly much safer to be pro-China in the West than pro-West or pro-USA in China, if that makes you feel any better. So don't complain too much about how difficult life is for you as a supporter of the CCP.
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by throwawaaay129 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:17AM (#34816635)
I'm not complaining or comparing myself to anyone. I didn't say I support the CCP either. Just explaining why people might use throwaway accounts

If I was currently living in China I wouldn't be posting anything remotely political. Obviously they have it harder there

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by twixfel on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:50AM (#34816816)
OK if by "positive about China" you mean statements like "I like Chinese food" or "Chinese history is very interesting" then obviously this not an issue. I assumed support for the CCP and the broader Chinese political system was implicit in your concern about expressing something "positive about China". Otherwise I've no idea what the point you're making is.
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by throwawaaay129 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:37AM (#34818395)
Lord... That's such a simplistic black and white view of the world. You're either for us or you're against us. This is the toxic juvenile attitude that's so scary honestly.

One can express support for a particular action of their government, or try to share some common misconceptions about life in China without being a supporter of the whole system.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by twixfel on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:06AM (#34910733)
I think you're rather clearly attacking a strawman here. For you to speak of toxic juvenility for my apparent forbidding of praise for individual actions of governments, whereas I specifically used the term "broader ... political system"... it is rich because it feels like I'm talking to a teenager who thinks they're much cleverer than they really are just because they have an opinion. What you said simply doesn't make any sense in response to what I said, so I can't even begin to engage with it.
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:42PM (#34825739)
Accusing people of being shills goes against HN rules.

I don't like the simple-minded demonization of China by people who don't know anything about it. Unfortunately, that's 99% of English-language discussion of China nowadays. That doesn't make me pro-Chinese-government.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by eptcyka on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:08AM (#34816229)
Has it saved lives?
Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:34PM (#34825603)
Yes, undoubtedly.

China got through the most difficult part of the pandemic, when there were no vaccines, without letting the virus spread.

Over 90% of the Chinese population was fully vaccinated before the zero-CoVID policy was dropped. The biggest failure was that the vaccination rate was lower among the elderly. That's a problem that affects the Chinese cultural sphere, including Taiwan and Singapore.

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by 123pie123 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:43AM (#34816463)
two wrongs do NOT make a right, each item must be looked at in context

- police beating people up because of their skin - not normal or encouraged by the gov

- police killing pets? who knows

but you cannot link the two with whataboutism

Re:China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad by petesergeant on Thursday February 16, 2023 @03:47AM (#34816488)
> I saw a video a few weeks ago of five American police beating a man to death

And it was such a big fucking deal that the President got involved, it was the major news story for a few days, and most likely the police will go to jail, after a fair trial.

The strength of a country isn't whether or not bad things happen, it's what happens _after_ bad things happen, and if there's accountability.