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Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by throwayyy12399 on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:15PM (#34749523)
> As we read this, let us reflect that this reasonable and mature position resulted in a ~2% market share [0]

Throwaway since I used to work at Mozilla:

You are 100% wrong in your analysis, metrics have shown over and over again that people didn't use XUL addons (even if you add the people disabling telemetry).

The real culprits to Mozilla's market share downtrend are:

1. Google started advertising Chrome on every single property they own (e.g. Google search) and made deals to pre-install Chrome on new computers. On mobile devices with Android it's even worse: if the default is good enough, why change?

2. During that time Firefox was playing catch-up: for a long time it was multiple times slower and crashier (and still is to a small extent) due to its older architecture. Meanwhile, Google with 2-3x more engineers on Chrome can deliver a better browser and pump out new w3c standards every month.

3. The Mozilla leadership reacted too late, too slow and with the failure of Firefox OS they've become risk averse and they'd rather become irrelevant than dead.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by happy-dude on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:24PM (#34749567)
I wanted to chime in here that I agree with (1) as well.

In the time before Chrome, Firefox market share grew in part because of how aggressively Google and the rest of the web advertised for them. However, that market share peaked and shrunk after Chrome was released; Google shifted _all_ of their advertising from Firefox for Chrome.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by roenxi on Friday February 10, 2023 @11:56PM (#34749732)
I shall clarify:

There is nothing wrong with having an irrelevant share of the market. Most software I use has a market share in the 0-2% range.

However, Mozilla screwed up quite badly because their response to being pushed out of the mainstream was to gut everything that would have made them an interesting niche player. Their niche could have been "OK, this isn't Chrome but you get an IRC client and a bunch of crazy capabilities that are fun at lan parties. We'll train the next generation of devs by giving them cool capabilities to experiment with!". Instead, the niche is the worse version of Chrome.

> metrics have shown over and over again that people didn't use XUL addons

Now the metrics show people don't use Firefox. Funny thing, life. I think it was a bad time to make a metric-driven decision.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by rwmj on Saturday February 11, 2023 @02:45AM (#34750440)
This sounds terrible.

I'd be happy with a Firefox that didn't have stupid UI mistakes like making it impossible to tell which tab is selected. Or which didn't lose all my tabs in a crash. Getting the basics right matters.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by st3fan on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:41AM (#34752677)
Hey look another armchair Mozilla ceo who seems to know how to run the project better.
Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by Certhas on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:53AM (#34753387)
There is a huge difference between a world with a usable 2% browser (20% in Germany) and a 0.02% browser you are describing, that would in all likelihood also be incapable of actually keeping sufficient compatibility with Chrome to still actually, you know, browse the web.
Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by RedShift1 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @12:13AM (#34749801)
> metrics have shown over and over again that people didn't use XUL addons (even if you add the people disabling telemetry)

How do you know?

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by nerdile on Saturday February 11, 2023 @12:40AM (#34749898)
Because people who don't send telemetry to the app maker still leave traces of their activity through other online interactions that allow a general estimation of the population size, which can then be applied against the size measured through telemetry to produce projected estimates of the feature utilization within the general population including upper and lower bounds by using math and statistics. Keep up
Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by mariusor on Saturday February 11, 2023 @03:19AM (#34750573)
> You are 100% wrong in your analysis, metrics have shown over and over again that people didn't use XUL addons (even if you add the people disabling telemetry).

And yet, the anecedata here on HN suggests that you are probably surrounded of those people that did use them. Deciding that suddenly the longstanding demographic of Firefox users - tech people - are no longer relevant to the company strategy was a shitty move, and it drove them away.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by Timshel on Saturday February 11, 2023 @04:21AM (#34750804)
I did use them and transition was way smoother than I feared.
Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by Silhouette on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:18AM (#34753636)
I did use a few of them and I am still irritated every time I run Firefox that some simple things don't (and AIUI can't) work any more. At least real ad blocking still works and they're probably not foolish enough to change that. And there are still some significant privacy advantages without the old plugins like having the option for separate search and location bars.
Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by brokenmachine on Sunday February 12, 2023 @06:59PM (#34768534)
I still miss Tab mix plus.

I am aware there is some mucking around that I could perform to maybe get it working, but it probably involves changing some settings that I'm not sure I should.

Re:Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-Ons? (2020) by cultureulterior on Saturday February 11, 2023 @03:00PM (#34755753)
I have been the person who made the final decision about default browsers for a company several times. You'd better believe after you killed xul I never chose firefox again.