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Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by hahamaster on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:51PM (#34729118)
You take your phone to a shop and come back an hour later and boom you have a new battery. I once had a microphone fail on my phone and it was exact same scenario. It's really not a big deal.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by koolba on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:54PM (#34729169)
If you’re going to do this for an iPhone then best to hurry up. They’re raising the prices at the end of the month. I think from $49 to $89.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by scarface74 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:21PM (#34731670)
The average selling price of an iPhone is over $1000. How many iPhone buyers are that price sensitive to a $40 difference in price for a battery that they might replace over four years.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by koolba on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:41PM (#34731937)
The iPhones getting their battery replaced are older iPhones owned by people who do not want to spend $1000 on a new phone. It’s people breathing new life into an iPhone 8, not someone debating dropping. $1300 on the latest release.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by scarface74 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:11PM (#34732345)
And those people also at one point spend $800 at least on a phone. Is $40 really a deal breaker?
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by yumraj on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:59PM (#34732182)
I have an iPhone SE2, with 86% battery health, over 86GB of storage left and performance and size that is just perfect for me.

Why will I replace my phone if it's in just fine working condition and is sufficient for my needs, that too in just 4 years?

Battery replacement will work well for me once it's below 80%.

Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by scarface74 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:36PM (#34732670)
That’s just the point. Very few people who bought an iPhone are going to let a $40 increase in battery replacement costs deter them.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by tzs on Thursday February 09, 2023 @11:37PM (#34735665)
It's going from $49 to $69 for iPhone 8 and older, and from $69 to $89 for iPhones newer than 8 but older than 13. 13 is remaining $99.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by rakoo on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:56PM (#34729194)
It's not a big deal if you don't care about the environment. It's about time we forget this wasteful mindset
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:59PM (#34729256)
lithium batteries are easy and profitable to recycle. Yes, something is lost (recycling isn't free), but it isn't going to into a landfill.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by bhc on Thursday February 09, 2023 @02:59PM (#34730417)
Less than 1 percent of Lithium-ion batteries get recycled in the US and EU.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-...

Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:16PM (#34730706)
I can't read the study (published in India?), but I would dispute the data.

> This hasn’t worked for lithium batteries, partly because so many formats exist. “These batteries are all over the place in different sizes,” he said. A related challenge is that the technology for lithium batteries changes rapidly — every one to two years, he said.

(edit: I found a working link to the article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41745-021-00269-7)

Apple is not throwing lithium batteries into landfills, and it is the one doing the replacement. Tesla is definitely not doing this, so what is left?

Probably those lithium rechargeable batteries you can buy on Amazon?

Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by brookst on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:15PM (#34730700)
Do you think Apple stores recycle more or less than that 1% figure?
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by kaba0 on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:14AM (#34736640)
And how is 1% of only batteries worse than throwing away the entire phone?
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by warkdarrior on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:56PM (#34732141)
So getting the battery replaced is not environmentally friendly?? What is the environmental option then?
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by rakoo on Thursday February 09, 2023 @06:01PM (#34732990)
Shopping for a phone with a better battery life out of the box, before you need to change it. I think that's what the GP wanted to say.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by kaba0 on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:16AM (#34736656)
Show me any lithium battery-powered device that would last longer. They are all in the same ballpark and this is simply inherent in the way this tech works. Once another battery type surfaces in mobiles this might change, but still then you won’t get any meaningful differences as there is no order of magnitude difference between even the best and worst phones in power consumption and battery capacity.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by rakoo on Friday February 10, 2023 @04:33AM (#34737496)
My featurephone still gets 5 days of use without plugging in.

If you say that the comparison isn't relevant, I'll say yes: the whole point is that the industry has been innovating for computing power and computing power only. Cheaper versions exist to target low price. But no work is done to target long battery life because it's not considered profitable.

Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by kaba0 on Friday February 10, 2023 @04:37AM (#34737527)
Feature phones are not running on general purpose OSs and are not capable of half the things smartphones can do. So there actually is an order of magnitude difference between energy consumption, resulting in longer battery life. But since their functionality is way different than a smartphone’s, it is akin to measuring the fuel efficiency of a horse and a car.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by rakoo on Friday February 10, 2023 @05:02AM (#34737719)
Wrong. KaiOS runs on featurephones and has a lot of the features people want from a handheld device: listening to music, messaging, social, even directions. KaiOS has a store where anyone can distribute their own apps.
Re:Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new S... by npteljes on Thursday February 09, 2023 @03:57PM (#34731336)
I wish. We bought a Cat B35 because it looked cool. Phone speaker got quieter and quieter, I bought it to several phone places, nobody wanted to touch it. Maybe it wasn't popular enough?