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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by Dalewyn on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:30AM (#34705596)
>All others: 16.4%

This whole essay is really just Mozilla complaining that they aren't on anyone's radar anymore and should be disregarded as bullcrap.

Firefox once upon a time defeated IE6 despite home turf advantage, to say nothing of Chrome which played that game even better.

If Mozilla wants more market share, maybe they should make software people actually fucking want.

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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by nhchris on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:38AM (#34705650)
How many people choose a browser, compared to those that use whatever the OS defaults to/pushes on them?
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by mschuster91 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:41AM (#34705666)
Microsoft Edge's main purpose is to download Chrome.
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by 867-5309 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:41AM (#34706426)
Windows now ships with wget or curl (can't remember which) so there's no longer any need to use its browser!
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by Dalewyn on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:42AM (#34705675)
The millions if not billions of Windows users who choose to use Chrome?

Also, using the OS default is also a choice. If someone uses Edge in Windows, that's a choice.

It's only iOS where users have no choice.

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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by agos on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:48AM (#34705729)
Chrome is also pushed quite aggressively by Google
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by Dalewyn on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:49AM (#34705742)
And they continue to win the fight Mozilla cannot.

OS restrictions, if any, are not the reason Mozilla is dead in the water.

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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by izacus on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:15AM (#34706275)
How exactly? Microsoft has been randomly resetting my default browser back to Edge on every big Windows update. They've thrown Edge on my desktop against my wish. They keep buggering me to change the default back.

And yet, somehow, Chrome is still more popular. So what are those horrible tactics Google uses to brainwash people into using their browsers when both of their major competitors use their own operating systems to either harass or ouright force the use of their browsers for the users?

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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by rezonant on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:35AM (#34706395)
Back in the IE days they did push it pretty hard. There are definitely still some cases where Google could (and should) do better about keeping their services browser-agnostic, but it's way less prominent than it was before.
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by izacus on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:22AM (#34706686)
They are pushing pretty hard RIGHT NOW.
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by rezonant on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:30AM (#34706745)
Oh After rereading this I think you thought I meant Microsoft. I was talking about Google and chrome. Microsoft's pushes for Bing and Edge in Windows are definitely over the top.
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by Dalewyn on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:41AM (#34706827)
Both sides are over the top, and Google's winning.

Mozilla is farting vapid air with this essay.

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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by rxyz on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:48AM (#34706466)
Google sometimes bugs you to download Chrome within unrelated search results.
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by izacus on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:22AM (#34706689)
How is that more effective that Microsoft outright resetting your default browser and pushing it in your face on reboots?
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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by nicoburns on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @08:47AM (#34707908)
They advertise it on the google.com homepage. Which is quite the prime location to advertise. That said, I do think that Chrome has taken over mostly on merit. In many ways it is the best browser. It's just a shame it's so dominant because a monopoly situation rarely works out well for end users.
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