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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by atoav on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:23AM (#34690538)
Wires. The next thing is wires. As a media tech guy I already know active optical HDMI cables (50m) that come with an USB-to-HDMI adaptor so you can update the cables firmware(!).

With electrical equipment like oscilloscopes it is quite common to sell the physically identical unit with different softwarelocks for different prices (Want 350 MHz bandwidth instead of 80? Pay some extra).

Want that HDMI cable to run 8k? Here os a simple subscription. As resolutions go up there comes a point where cable will have to have some active components in them anyways.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by jen729w on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:58AM (#34690779)
This isn’t new, though. My first job was for Xerox in 1996 and they sold variations on photocopiers that were purely software. (Or even a physical DIP switch.)

The basic model XX40 gives you 40 pages a minute. Want the XX80? An engineer comes out and flips the DIP. Exact same hardware.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by caf on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:29AM (#34690998)
It's at least plausible that running them faster means servicing is more expensive (assuming these were supplied under service contracts / leases which seems to be the usual case for office copiers).
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by GauntletWizard on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:53AM (#34691158)
I am 100% okay with hardware that has been leased having artificial limitations. I don't own a leased device. I am paying for my usage of it. Running something at half capacity for service reliability reasons is a valid strategy.

I'm 100% okay with artificial limitations on hardware I buy, too, so long as they're upfront about capabilities - Running something at half capacity for service reliability reasons is still a valid strategy when dealing with warranties. I have no problem buying an AMD Ryzen 7900 which is literally the same silicon on the same fab as the 7950, but binned differently. They are clear about what they're providing, what the specs are, and it's possible that it could perform better, but I know what they're guaranteeing. Sometimes I don't like it - If yields are good, they could bin many more cards at the higher tier and drop the price, but they're under no obligation to provide me a better product out of charity; They should have competition that forces their hand.

It's where it's unclear or deceptive that it's a problem, and HP's scheme is a shakedown. We should invest in competitors.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by 8note on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:09PM (#34695484)
I'd see them as a monopoly business. The cost to start a competitor is ridiculously high. The hardware sellers instead need to be broken up for competitiveness
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by ratg13 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:41PM (#34697076)
And you don’t care if you can’t fix it either?

John Deere sells you a tractor and you honestly don’t care that you can’t have it repaired by a local tractor shop?

I mean it’s great if you happen to live next to a dealer and are rich, but not everyone is so privileged.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by yencabulator on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:23PM (#34702072)
That'd be the "We should invest in competitors" part.

Monopolies are a problem. Businesses exploiting consumers are a problem. Both are worth solving.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by 95014_refugee on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:13AM (#34708243)
Provided this is clear up front, and I have alternatives if it doesn’t suit my needs; yes.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by imhoguy on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:17AM (#34690906)
I recall consumer CPUs and some pencil mark bridging trick to upgrade them around that time too.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by littlecranky67 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:22AM (#34690932)
Those were the Pentium II, 233-333Mhz were all identical and could be pencil unlocked
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by actionfromafar on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:27AM (#34691352)
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by andy_ppp on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:56AM (#34692745)
This probably sold a lot of extra CPUs.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by snozolli on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:09AM (#34692897)
Not the same time frame, but it reminded me of the hack to make consumer GeForce Nvidia cards appear to be their overpriced, professional, Quadro counterparts:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/hacking-nvid...

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by hbossy on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:04AM (#34694482)
You used to be able to buy budget version of Casio scientific calculator and use pencil to draw a wire on PCB to turn it into fx-991EX. The only thing missing button labels.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by japanman425 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:31PM (#34702876)
I remember this!! Similar with the 9850G, could upgrade it to the GII with a slightly modified hardware
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by moffkalast on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:42AM (#34691461)
What.

The.

Fuck.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by dasloop on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:09AM (#34691671)
Downvoted because you do not have the HN subscription to write swear words?
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by moffkalast on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:12AM (#34691699)
My bad, I forgot to drink the verification can.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by MonkeyMalarky on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:39AM (#34692557)
Sorry, you were on the family plan. If you want access to adult content you will have to add the .xxx package (and also scan your government issued ID and/or install the adult verification app on your phone if you live in France, UK or in the states of Texas or Louisiana).
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:31AM (#34691868)
>It is quite common to sell the physically identical unit with different softwarelocks for different prices (Want 350 MHz bandwidth instead of 80? Pay some extra).

Literally every "scan tool" for troubleshooting machinery is like this.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by berniedurfee on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:17PM (#34703658)
I worked for a company that made customers send units in for an ‘upgrade’.

The upgrade consisted of popping open the case to pull an SD card out and update a text file with a list of enabled features. Could be a few grand in new features after the ‘upgrade’.

I can only imagine a few technicians figured this trick out on their own.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by dylan604 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:04AM (#34694472)
> Wires. The next thing is wires.

AT&T already did this. You were paying not only for the service but all of the equipment as well. You didn't actually own anything from the phone company.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by phkahler on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:57AM (#34695292)
My favorite is cable TV. First you paid extra if you wanted digital/HD, even though both analog and digital were on the wire. But after analog broadcasts were turned off, the cable companies were effectively downgrading HD signals and charging more if you wanted them NOT to do that!
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by naikrovek on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:00PM (#34701848)
cable was originally sold so you could pay your way out of sitting through commercials. that was why cable TV started.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by phkahler on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:13PM (#34703220)
Haha. No. Cable TV started in areas with poor reception primarily due to terrain.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by naikrovek on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:02PM (#34703554)
haha. no. cable TV started because people didn't want to see commercials.

100% fact, at least where I grew up. we had no reception problems (flat farmland) and we were one of the first houses in one of the first towns in the area to get cable service. cable company promised no commercials ever, and that's why he subscribed, after a trial period. there were zero commercials.

I remember my father on the phone with the cable company, the company that owned the cable company, our state representative, and our governor, all within a month after the first commercials started airing. obviously it did no good.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by berniedurfee on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:12PM (#34703634)
I recall the same marketing, cable was going to be TV without ads… because you paid for it.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mrexroad on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:37PM (#34719796)
Sure, that’s after cable evolved into something with enough bandwidth to the house to deliver dozens/hundreds of channels to a subscriber, not to mention the necessary distribution infrastructure on the back-end (e.g. satellite). That wasn’t the case at first. Heck, Sputnik hadn’t even launched when cable started.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by berniedurfee on Friday February 10, 2023 @02:56PM (#34744884)
Cable wasn’t around long before the ads came along.
Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mrexroad on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:30PM (#34719767)
Jeez, tone down the snark? Especially if you’re going to not provide any sources. Either way, you are incorrect. Cable TV indeed started as a way for folks to get TV when reception was otherwise impossible at the home (e.g. a mountain sits between them and the broadcast antenna). Fwiw, my great-grandfather started a small (small!) cable company in rural east coast-ish mountains back in the late 50s or early 60s because they otherwise had no reception.

Per Wikipedia [0]:

“The abbreviation "CATV" is used in the US for cable television and originally stood for community antenna television, from cable television's origins in 1948; in areas where over-the-air TV reception was limited by distance from transmitters or mountainous terrain, large community antennas were constructed, and cable was run from them to individual homes. […] The early systems simply received weak (broadcast) channels, amplified them, and sent them over unshielded wires to the subscribers, limited to a community or to adjacent communities. The receiving antenna would be taller than any individual subscriber could afford, thus bringing in stronger signals; in hilly or mountainous terrain it would be placed at a high elevation.”

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television