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Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by diebeforei485 on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:27PM (#34687812)
Honestly very disappointed that phone makers haven't implemented radio in phones.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by cardamomo on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:37PM (#34687919)
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by Tao3300 on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:36PM (#34687906)
Implemented? Or enabled?
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by est on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:45PM (#34687992)
> phone makers haven't implemented radio in phones

It's a ragulation thing.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by jhoechtl on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:21AM (#34689067)
is it? please provide proof. afaik it's a kneefall to Spotify/apple music/youtube music
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by Johnny555 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:11AM (#34689357)
it's a kneefall to Spotify/apple music/youtube music

That seems unlikely, radio (even Satellite radio) is not the same product as streaming music. My car has an AM/FM radio, the only thing I've ever used it for is tuning in to roadside traffic alerts when the sign is lit. The car came with 6 months of XM/Sirius satellite radio -- I tried out the Satellite Radio on a long road trip but didn't last a day before I went back to Spotify where I have full control over the music that's playing and can skip and rewind songs at will.

I don't think streaming music has anything to fear from FM radio on phones, I think the reason phones don't still offer it as a feature is because no one wants it.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by pmontra on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:40AM (#34689523)
I know about an Italian law from 2017 mandating that "all devices with FM radio must also receive Dab + services" [1]. Phones with only a FM chip obviously don't receive digital radio so I remember that as unintended (?) consequence Samsung was releasing updates to disable the chip. However the FM radio in my A40 still works.

[1] https://www.world-today-news.com/goodbye-to-fm-radio-on-smar...

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by numpad0 on Monday February 06, 2023 @09:56PM (#34688094)
Mesh is a bit like fusion research so
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by irjustin on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:00PM (#34688613)
Am I too old? We did, but no one wants it (normally). It would require gov intervention to widespread require it.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @02:05PM (#34697481)
We had the weird thing involving wired headphones, yes.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by djbusby on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:18PM (#34688701)
HTC Evo on Sprint 4G had an FM radio. Used the plug-in headphones for antenna.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by spike021 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @02:23AM (#34689756)
The older Freestyle (IIRC) also had this. It was my first "smartphone" before I got a real smartphone. I actually kind of miss being able to listen to the radio that way. Not sure how well it'd work these days since most people use wireless headphones.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:31AM (#34690209)
My Ulefone Power Armor 13 has FM radio and doesn't require headphones to be connected.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by riskneutral on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:45PM (#34688874)
I think it's because the antennas are different.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by adrianmonk on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:01AM (#34688973)
My old flip phone used the earphone as the antenna. The radio wouldn't work without it plugged in.

EDIT: It was a Nokia 6086, and the radio was an FM receiver.

https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6086-1798.php

https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1138

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by bogomipz on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:43AM (#34690672)
Anything that plugs into the head phone jack acts as the antenna.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by jhoechtl on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:20AM (#34689056)
radio in englisch is quite overloaded, what do you mean? an fm receiver? a shortwave transceiver (as is the case in the 10m band)? a vhf/uhf transceiver to participate in lpd/pmr/fmrs, 2m/70cm ham?
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by bogomipz on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:22AM (#34690534)
An FM receiver. In this context "radio" is "commercial radio", like what's available in a car.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by NovaPenguin on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:51AM (#34689230)
I hadn't realized this was something that was happening. My Oppo A53 (?) still has FM radio via head phones. Same with the Nokia 2710 flip.

Being someone that usually lives in the low end, I have never had a phone without FM.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by input_sh on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:30AM (#34690200)
A good rule of thumb is that if your phone has a headphone jack, it also has FM radio. And whether it has a headphone jack depends on whether the phone aims to be waterproof.

Waterproof phone = no headphone jack = no FM radio. There are some exceptions, but it's more often true than not.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by majso on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:23AM (#34690547)
How come different connector can be sealed but jack not?
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by genewitch on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:38AM (#34690630)
the USB connector is a box that is not open to the inside of the phone, at least every one i've seen. I've even seen a couple of phones where the box that held the USB connector also had a speaker in it. I guess a headphone jack could be put inside of a similar box, but the main difference is all the contacts in TRR plugs are spring metal that are attached to the outside of the plastic housing and poke through, and that's if the spec calls for any sort of reinforcement. The simplest headphone jacks are just spring metal in empty space.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by irthomasthomas on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:36AM (#34690619)
They can, but it's much much cheaper to get rid of them altogether.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by throw0101c on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:28AM (#34691845)
> Waterproof phone = no headphone jack

The Asus Zenfone 9 has a headphone jack and is rate IP68 (up to 1.5m for 30 mins):

* https://www.asus.com/mobile/phones/zenfone/zenfone-9/

* https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_9-11656.php

The iPhone 14 Plus is also IP68 (up to 6m for 30 mins):

* https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_14_plus-11862.php

GSM Arena's search criteria shows >200 phones that have 3.5mm jacks and IPx8 IP Certification:

* https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by input_sh on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:44AM (#34691989)
> GSM Arena's search criteria shows >200 phones that have 3.5mm jacks and IPx8 IP Certification

Released in last five years: 303 with IPx8 certification, out of which 122 also have a headphone jack.

So out of every three waterproof models, two don't have a headphone jack. Seems to support my rule of thumb.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by skyyler on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:41AM (#34695018)
Your rule of thumb is wrong a third of the time which is a D grade.

Technically passing, I suppose.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by input_sh on Thursday February 09, 2023 @06:34AM (#34722451)
Yes, that's what rule of thumb means.

It doesn't imply it's always the case, just more often than not. >60% is more often than not.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by skyyler on Thursday February 09, 2023 @12:45PM (#34727945)
I think you're a bit off on what rule of thumb means. Something that's false 1 out of 3 times is not "generally true".

If it was a 51/49 split in probability would you still call it a rule of thumb?

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by yourusername on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:50AM (#34692675)
Every Samsung galaxy flagship from the S4 to the S10 had a headphone jack and was waterproof. This heuristic only works for recent models where headphone jack means it's a budget model and they've probably skimped on waterproofing.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by antifa on Friday February 10, 2023 @12:21AM (#34735927)
> A good rule of thumb is that if your phone has a headphone jack, it also has FM radio

Another good rule of thumb, if your device was intended to be sold in the US, then the carrier had the radio disabled for anti-consumer reasons.

Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:55AM (#34689252)
WiPhone is working on a LoRA module: https://wiphone.io/docs/LoRa/latest/
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by shultays on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:10AM (#34690081)
My bet is countries having all kind of taxes, stamp fees etc when it comes to adding such features and phone makers not wanting to pay the fee. Or maybe it is a patent fee. Your device can support FM or can play radio? You need to pay 20 cents per device!
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by seydor on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:16AM (#34690116)
No, it's just that apple disabled it first and many others blindly followed. My samsung s10 still has FM radio (and phone jack). It's also energy efficient
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by xen2xen1 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:09AM (#34692895)
Many phones had FM, but if you look the models for Verizon had FM disabled. The international versions had FM, AT&T had FM, Verizon didn't. They are also much more likely to lock their bootloader, and other anti-consumer things.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by bogomipz on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:58AM (#34690388)
The 5th generation Apple iPod Nano had an FM radio. I remember being really pleased to discover this while traveling. Listening to how the radio changed while moving through different countries added a whole new dimension to the trip. I have no idea why Apple didn't keep this when they transitioned their music experience to the iPhone.
Re:Turkey EARTHQUAKE – please keep 28.540 clear for communic... by bogomipz on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:34AM (#34690611)
They are implemented in the existing chips just not enabled in software. Qualcomm's ubiquitous LTE modem chip has FM radio baked in. There was a whole push by the FCC in the US as well as some FM broadcasters to mandate it be enabled. See:

"Your Phone Has An FM Chip. So Why can't you listen to the radio?":

https://archive.is/YMLsM#selection-1393.0-1393.64

and

"Dinosaur Broadcasters Turn to Congress to Mandate Their Relevance":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/garyshapiro/2012/06/06/dinosaur...

and

"Trump’s FCC chief wants it to be easier to listen to free FM radio on your smartphone":

https://www.vox.com/2017/2/16/14638304/trump-fcc-free-fm-rad...