News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by yafbum on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:43AM (#34666326)
It's a great story but kind of gross the way Garmin slides in an ad for its products being supposedly easy to use even for people who haven't used them before
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by tobyjsullivan on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:55AM (#34666437)
It’s not smooth but not terrible considering this is corporate blog content, not journalism.

At least they link to the original article which, after a quick scan, seems much better written.

https://www.readersdigest.co.uk/inspire/life/how-a-fisherman...

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by victor9000 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:08PM (#34667162)
Much better link, thanks!
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by KennyBlanken on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:56PM (#34667723)
Reader's Digest is not "journalism." They take a fairly simple and straightforward event and embellish the hell out of it to make into some grand tale, keeping it at about a 5th grade reading level.

Compare and contrast the story to the local TV station writeup:

https://www.wistv.com/2021/07/07/father-son-rescue-missing-b...

Two fishermen see a boat with nobody piloting it, alert the coast guard, follow the breadcrumb trail on the GPS unit, and find the boat's owner. Owner is OK.

This story is why you wear the safety disconnect cord, or purchase a cable-less shutoff system that uses an radio-beacon fob you wear. Or, you don't go deep-water solo...

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by tobyjsullivan on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:16PM (#34668811)
Perhaps journalism wasn’t the word I should have used there. What would you call writing about factual events in a way that makes them interesting to read?

That said, I don’t think captivating writing is outside the bounds of true journalism. Some might argue that’s what journalism is supposed to be. I.e., “here’s an interesting event and here’s why it’s interesting.”

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by TheRealPomax on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:35PM (#34666776)
It's... on their site? Not sure I'd object to the company publishing the story advertising for themselves. If NYT or WaPo can go "nope, you've read enough, buy a subscription", Garmin can unobtrusively go "hey thanks for reading, consider buying something we make" =D
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mvkel on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:34PM (#34666766)
It's on their own website. Can you blame them for promoting their own product? Marketing isn't journalism.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by yafbum on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:11PM (#34669445)
Here's a header that fixes it: "We at Garmin believe it's essential for our products to be easy to use, and can be lifesaving. Here's a story that illustrates it." Not hard to add instead of starting it like your just going to tell a story.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mvkel on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:55PM (#34673511)
So be even more self-promotional? Can't please everyone...
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by asmor on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:31PM (#34666740)
My next thought was "are Garmin and Gatorade associated?".
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by snemvalts on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:56AM (#34666440)
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by sitzkrieg on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:06PM (#34666521)
yea this was quite the heartstrings pulling ... advertisement
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by gamblor956 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:23PM (#34666665)
But apparently it's okay when Apple convinces millions of unprepared people that their iphone will save them if they get lost or in trouble in the wilderness?

The Apple "safety" features have cost more lives than they've saved due to first responders wasting time on fake iAlerts that keep them away from real emergencies.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by asmor on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:33PM (#34666755)
The car crash detection, maybe. The fall detection seemed to have been a success though.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mvkel on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:35PM (#34666771)
A woman used the SOS feature recently to get rescued, so .. yes?
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by loloquwowndueo on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:47PM (#34666923)
Who said it’s okay? All the media coverage I have seen point to this iPhone feature being a pain in the ass for first responders (skiers generating an inordinate amount of fake calls).

Also, please point to hard data and all the lives this has actually cost.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by ghaff on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:20PM (#34667261)
The ski falling story has been making the rounds. And I can certainly see skiing as a fertile source for false fall detection alerts. I would (try to remember to) disable it if I were downhill skiing if I otherwise had it active--which I don't. (And really haven't decided if I should or shouldn't.) But I also haven't actually seen data that this is a genuine problem much less one that is overwhelming emergency services and causing widespread carnage.

As for the satellite SOS, actual search and rescue people I've talked to have been of the opinion that they'd rather someone who is in trouble or thinks they're in trouble reach out for help sooner rather than later. It doesn't mean a full-scale rescue needs to be mounted. Someone can often be talked through what their problem is. It's also not like people didn't already have this capability so long as they were in cell phone coverage.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by 10x_contrarian on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:47PM (#34666924)
> had the Garmin technology been less intuitive for an unfamiliar boater in a stressful situation — this story could’ve ended so much differently

This line made me look at the URL and realize I was reading an advertisement.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by iso1631 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:25PM (#34668093)
> The boat had a Garmin GPS marine system, and while Andrew said he hadn’t been familiar with Garmin units prior to that, it was easy to use, allowing him to figure it out quickly.

Got me

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by jacurtis on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:18PM (#34668838)
The article ended with:

> Andrew Sherman has since upgraded his tech on his own boat.

> “I bought a Garmin unit because I was so impressed with Sascha’s,” he said.

Definitely written to remind us all that Garmin GPS are easy to use. Oh yeah, someone's life was saved, but don't lose track on the shiny touchscreen GPS haha.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by ec109685 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:45PM (#34668381)
The laid it on too thick.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by userbinator on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:50PM (#34669206)
I saw the URL before reading the article, and was basically expecting the product placement as a punchline.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by qup on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:59PM (#34667058)
When your easy-to-use interface saves a man's life, I think you get a pass for one story.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mynameisvlad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:17PM (#34667235)
Realistically, any GPS system would have done the same, whether you have to touch a screen or push buttons.

Wayfinding is like one of the most basic of features on these units.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by sitkack on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:39PM (#34667491)
With one touch delete of GPS history, these two would be heros sealed his fate while stumbling through our hierarchy of menus.

Upon returning to civilization and entering their story in the corporate bug tracker, their feature request was denied, as better history retention is in the +Pro model.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mynameisvlad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:46PM (#34667589)
Anybody that has dealt with a marine GPS units can handle all of them. These aren’t sophisticated interfaces and the features they offer for the most part is standardized. It’s not like it controls a spaceship or something, it’s just a GPS unit.

Would a random passerby potentially fuck things up? Maybe, but realistically probably not. Would the guy that just jumped from moving boat to moving boat? No, they have obviously seen and used one of these before.

> Upon returning to civilization and entering their story in the corporate bug tracker, their feature request was denied, as better history retention is in the +Pro model.

Garmin, like practically every company out there, is well known to hide features behind premium models. Not sure exactly what point it is you’re trying to make but Garmin isn’t a magical snowflake who doesn’t partake in this practice.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by alar44 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:51PM (#34667647)
How dare a company advertise their features with an interesting story! Get a grip.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mynameisvlad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:56PM (#34667726)
Making the claim that somehow the magical interface of the Garmin saved this man is preposterous.

It’s a GPS unit. It’s not some magical device that pinpointed the person’s exact position overboard and led them right to it. They would have been able to do the exact same thing on literally any other unit out there.

As I said in another comment, Garmin is certainly entitled to post it but people are equally entitled to point out the ridiculous and hamfisted advertising.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by kylehotchkiss on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:55PM (#34668522)
Good luck trying to figure out how to do this on garmin’s handheld devices in a hurry!
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by gist on Sunday February 05, 2023 @12:59PM (#34667060)
> but kind of gross the way Garmin slides in an ad for its products

Gross? So we have a company that is in business to make money and employs people and spends money at other companies (that employ and give people jobs). And they can't do obvious marketing. And take advantage of a good opportunity to plug their product? Everybody and every company just has to be for the common good? Be humble no bragging and the world will be a path to your door?

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mynameisvlad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:19PM (#34667253)
They certainly can. And people are certainly able to comment on how hamfisted the marketing is. Freedom of speech and all that.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by brewdad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:18PM (#34669528)
It’s a corporate blog. What do you expect them to write?

“The features of our GPS allowed a passerby to save an overboard boater. Really any generic GPS unit from Walmart would have done the same though.”

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by mynameisvlad on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:58PM (#34669982)
As I said, they're certainly free to say whatever they want to say. But people are free to criticize what they chose to write.

A less hamfisted approach would, for instance, remove the quotes from the guy which were clearly prompted by the PR folks at Garmin.

Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by beefman on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:08PM (#34667161)
A little tacky, but shit UI does have consequences. Garmin UIs have always been fantastic in my experience.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by duxup on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:17PM (#34667240)
The story is on garmin.com ... call me crazy but I don't find this the least bit "gross".
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by renewiltord on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:17PM (#34667978)
I'm with you. All this cringe culture stuff is really too much. It's been really annoying lately. Some sort of weird Puritan outbreak.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by yafbum on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:02PM (#34669344)
It would be much better to own up the pitch upfront. Like, start with a line at the top saying something like "We at Garmin believe it's essential for our products to be easy to use, and can be lifesaving. Here's a story that shows what we mean... " Instead the content _reads_ like a story about someone about to lose their life at sea. It's not a big lift but would likely make a big change to the perception I (and apparently others) have of this piece.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by killjoywashere on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:43PM (#34667541)
What?! If you invented something that saved a life, you bet your ass you'd be putting that on your company blog! Your post is not in the spirit of HN.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by lostlogin on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:57PM (#34667735)
Anti advertising, anti big corporate and a negative slant on a feel good-story? It’s completely HN. It just lacks a more efficient search pattern recommendation and a blockchain reference. Turns our the guy treading water also used a very calorie inefficient leg stroke too.
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by renewiltord on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:58PM (#34668567)
Have we considered discussing what would happen on this page if Javascript were to be disabled?
Re:Ghost Boat with Garmin GPS Leads Father-Son Duo to Man Ov... by kylehotchkiss on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:54PM (#34668509)
Garmin has a rep for difficult to use devices so if they worked hard enough on this one that it could be used to save a guys life (which it was! The track was mission critical for this save), they get to brag a little about their role. This kind of story might even ingrain better UI as a priority inside their org which would be good for all their future customers