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Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by PragmaticPulp on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:14PM (#34648499)
> EA appeals to exactly that kind of really-smart-person who is perfectly capable of convincing themselves that they're always right about everything. And from there, you can justify all kinds of terrible things.

I came to the same conclusion after a group of my friends got involved with the local rationalist and EA community, though for a different reason: Their drug habits.

They believed themselves to have a better grasp on human nature and behavior than the average person, and therefore believed they were better at controlling themselves. They also had a deep contrarian bias, which turned into a belief that drugs weren’t actually as bad as the system wanted us to believe.

Combine these two factors and they convinced themselves that they could harness recreational opioid use to improve their lives, but avoid the negative consequences that “normies” suffered by doing it wrong. I remember being at a party where several of them were explaining that they were on opioids right now and tried to use the fact that nothing terrible was happening as proof that they were performing rational drug use.

Long story short, the realities of recreational opioid use caught up with them and they were blind to the warning signs due to their hubris. I intentionally drifted away from that group around that time, so I don’t know what happened to them.

I will never forget how confident they were that addiction is something that only happens to other people, not rationalists like them.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by teraflop on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:27PM (#34648676)
I'm reminded of a fascinating series of Reddit threads, starting back in 2009, from somebody who convinced himself he "could handle anything once" and decided to try heroin, only to rapidly spiral out of control:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/wef6...

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by pavel_lishin on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:34PM (#34648750)
I'm only on the second update, and it seems like this guy speed-ran addiction:

> I can't stop crying. Fuck heroin. Fuck my life. I guess I don't need to say that since heroin pretty much fucked my life for me in under two weeks, I just want to die.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by scarmig on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:54PM (#34648967)
The issue with Reddit is that the story is as likely as not to be fake. Particularly, here, I don't think people are at risk of serious withdrawal after only two weeks of heroin use.

Though heroin use is obviously one of the dumbest things anyone can do.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by atdrummond on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:26PM (#34649312)
As someone who has used opiates for well over a decade (for medical reasons), heroin and stronger synthetic opioids can absolutely cause an opioid naive individual to have withdrawal symptoms after even a week.

This is why codeine OTC recommends no more than three consecutive days of use.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by mise_en_place on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:31PM (#34649906)
It depends on if you have a specific antibody that targets specific opiate compounds. For example, oxycodone was very dysphoric and caused me even more pain, whereas hydrocodone caused me the intended therapeutic effect of euphoria and analgesia
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by cellis on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:59AM (#34651954)
Hydrocodone has to be one of the best drugs known to man. I had a very small prescription for my wisdom teeth and I instantly understood the opioid dependency problem.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by devilbunny on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:37AM (#34655685)
It's all about your body chemistry. I'm a redhead; red hair is a result of a mutation in the preopiomelanocortin (POMC) system, so opioids work funny on us. I've had hydrocodone/acetaminophen(paracetamol) pills, and they felt like... taking acetaminophen. No euphoria, not even increased pain relief. I quit after one dose, because what was the point in making myself constipated?
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Nihilartikel on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:38PM (#34659169)
I dunno man. My mom and dad were both smack heads. They both went through recovery but had substantial relapses. My mom was as ginger as they come but really couldn't get off the horse. Dad found solace in terminal alcoholism. So.. I dunno. Thoughts?
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by devilbunny on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:37PM (#34659649)
Booze doesn't work that way, and there are a lot of mutations that can cause gingerism - but the one I have, opioids don't do much of anything.

Never had the hard stuff and not inclined to try. But the oral ones might as well be cornstarch.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by grafporno on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:23PM (#34650292)
Wait, you've got over-the-counter opiates in the US (I assume it's the US)? What?
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by rejectfinite on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:23PM (#34650719)
The UK has codeine OTC... you assume. Everyone on the internet is american. Its funny. ahha
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by nwiswell on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:02PM (#34651362)
Not that unreasonable a guess. It's very late in Europe right now (currently 4 AM GMT, perhaps 2 AM when that was posted), and you know YC is an American company... right?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#34653241)
Why is the ownership structure of YC important? You know how the internet works right?

For better or worse, 'american' is the defacto standard on the internet, but please remember that only a small percentage of the global population is USian the in all probability the person you're speaking to isn't from the US.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by hnfong on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:19AM (#34655086)
The English (no pun intended) speaking population is more likely to be from the US than the global population.

Disclaimer: Not English. Not American.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:57PM (#34659332)
I would say that the us accounts for less than half of English speaking netizens.

UK, Australia, new zealand Canada already add up to a sizeable chunk of the US's population. Then add in 1% of India, or China (I assume some proportion has access outside the great firewall) and you've got a population bigger than the US.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by hnfong on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:26AM (#34663015)
If you add up the numbers of the countries you mentioned (together with 1% of India or China), you'll realize that it's smaller than the US population...

US: 331.9 million

UK: 67.33 million AU: 25.69 million CA: 38.25 million NZ: 5.123 million IN: 1.408 billion * 0.01 = 14m

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Sunday February 05, 2023 @05:50PM (#34670598)
Well the 1% was pulled out of my arse.

Point is some very small percentage of the rest of the world is going to dwarf the US. Yes the US will be the single biggest demographic but less than 50% of the total.

I haven't been able to find many solid stats, but eg English language Wikipedia, the US has 22k active editors out of 59k total.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Acutulus on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:37PM (#34651189)
Speaking for the US, yes indeed. Loperamide is technically an opioid and available OTC, though that's rarely a sought after compound unless one is in dire straits.

Codeine is available with a pharmacist's approval alone in my state. So while it may not technically OTC by that definition (or is, I don't know how OTC is defined), it can be had without a prescription by visiting a participating pharmacy and simply requesting codeine+guaifenesin. Done it a few times myself.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by SOLAR_FIELDS on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:59PM (#34651338)
Codeine + cough syrup is so popular in Texas that it spawned an entire subculture dedicated to its use. See DJ Screw in Houston (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Screw).

Lest you think this is no longer the case - “lean”, as it is known by Houstonites (due to your tendency to lean on things while under the influence) was a major plot point of a recent mostly autobiographical Netflix series centered around Houston that was released late last year: https://www.keranews.org/arts-culture/2022-08-25/houston-ooz...

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Acutulus on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:20AM (#34651780)
Vice released an excellent short piece on Houstonian screw & slab culture years back. Might still be on youtube! It was an excellent piece at the time, but I haven't seen it in quite a while.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by montecarl on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:19PM (#34651478)
For clarity, loperamide, sold under the brand name Imodium, is an anti diarrhea medication. It is an opioid; however, it does not readily cross the blood-brain barrier. It only acts on the opioid receptors in the large intestine and slows the movement of food. In very high concentrations it may get into the brain.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by lotsofpulp on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:43AM (#34654414)
If I go to a developing country where I cannot guarantee access to a bathroom, I pop one or two of these every morning to keep me regular.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by throwanem on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:14AM (#34651760)
"A pharmacist's approval" is a prescription, just one that happens to be written by the same person who fills it. So no, not OTC, which specifically refers to medications you can get without a prescription.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:57AM (#34653212)
I suspect this is location specific though. In the UK my migraine medication was available over the counter, I still had to have a discussion with the pharmacist every time I bought it. Conversely when ever I've needed an actual prescription medication, in an emergency or whatever, that has always had to go through my doctor to get the prescription sorted.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by denton-scratch on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:14AM (#34653882)
/me also a brit.

My go-to pain-relief used to be a product called Codis, which was soluble aspirin+codeine. It used to be available OTC, until about 8 years ago, then it disappeared. You can still buy paracetamol+codeine OTC ("Paracodol?). My understanding is that aspirin causes vasodilation, which causes more rapid absorption of codeine. Supposedly that's why Codis worked better than Paracodol.

I don't know why they took it off the shelves. There was no announcement; it just disappeared.

Codis was effective for both migraines and period pains, as reported to me (I'm not a woman, and I don't suffer from migraines).

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:22AM (#34653933)
This was migraleve it didn't have any painkilling element in the first tablet (it was 2 parts) not much point anyway as by that point I was throwing up.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by deathclassic on Saturday February 04, 2023 @12:06PM (#34655988)
asprin + codiene sounds like a based painkiller combo. Who needs a liver tbh?
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by heavyset_go on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:50PM (#34661230)
It's paracetamol that's hard on the liver, not aspirin or codeine.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by throwanem on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:13AM (#34654193)
Well, sure, countries will have their own laws over this or anything. Ours are defined at the federal level and thus apply the same everywhere in the country; since GGP and I are both USian, that's the basis on which I replied. (I don't know enough about any other country's such laws to speak to them!)
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by refurb on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:52PM (#34650898)
That’s true, but the withdrawal after a week or two isnt going to be the “i just want to die” type.

Severe withdrawal comes after dose escaation and youre not going to develop that much tolerance after 2 weeks.

Im not saying it wouldnt be unpleasant, but its not goibg to be the Trainspotting version.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Teever on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:14PM (#34649744)
It's amazing how you're like a prime example of what's being talked about here and you're totally unaware of that.

I don't mean that to be a dick. I mean that because I care.

Opiates are dangerous. Very dangerous.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by cactusplant7374 on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:19PM (#34650697)
You’re talking about OP?
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by HWR_14 on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:36PM (#34649947)
I'm surprised at your statement. In response to a thread about how intelligent people erroneously think their intelligence protects them from addiction, and the story of one person getting addicted, your response is "that couldn't happen to us".
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by munificent on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:20PM (#34650276)
>* The issue with Reddit is that the story is as likely as not to be fake.*

Maybe, but if so, it's a fake narrative they've maintained consistently for over a decade:

https://www.reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by aj7 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @02:13AM (#34652379)
I had serious withdrawal symptoms 24 hours after medicating myself with controlled doses of hydromorphone after surgery. It’s always been remarkable to me how many people confidently assert I wasn’t addicted.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:09AM (#34653279)
Conversely I'm on long term anti depressants and I get withdrawal symptoms if I forget to take them, but no one is ever referred to as being addicted to anti depressants.

I suspect there are different (social) mechanisms at work here, but addiction is generally applied to one specific form of drug reliance.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by skissane on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:59AM (#34654527)
> but no one is ever referred to as being addicted to anti depressants

People who are sceptical of antidepressants, such as Professor Joanna Moncrieff (University of College London), do speak of them as “addictive”, and consider their use to (at least sometimes) be a case of “prescribed drug dependency”, and also speak of “withdrawal” from them

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by froglets on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:51AM (#34655332)
I had very noticeable withdrawal after 3 weeks of using opiates as prescribed for a ruptured disc. Stopped because I was pain free a few days after surgery to fix it, and felt like I was going to die.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by runako on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:46PM (#34650861)
This thread, and the linked AMAs, are amazing. Thanks for posting.

(Incidentally, I don't really care if they are 100% true or near-true or simply entirely plausible.)

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by ninjaa on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:05PM (#34650986)
Great story, I believe
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by renewiltord on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:42AM (#34653423)
After a motorcycle accident I spent a week on hydromorphone, a month on oxycodone, and occasional fentanyl. I have some oxycodone left over at home and, if I'm being honest, I don't feel the slightest desire to do it. I haven't for the 9 months so far I've had it and I doubt I ever will. I live in SF as well so fentanyl is easy to come by, should I so desire it.

Reading the literature, it appears that this is the experience for 9/10 people prescribed the drug. The problem, of course, is that 10% is a large number at scale.

Obviously, I've had no experience with heroin. But considering my experience with fentanyl, I can quite easily say that most of us are not susceptible.

This strikes me as yet another example of overstating risks. PTSD is the canonical case, of course, where the majority of people experiencing trauma won't get PTSD and even a third of people experiencing major trauma won't get PTSD.

The short version is that the average human is very resilient.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by telotortium on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:21PM (#34648604)
No, they should have listened to their parents! Drug positivity is supposed to be reserved for cannabis and hallucinogens!
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by DaveExeter on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:16PM (#34648528)
>recreational opioid use

Horse? Were they shooting horse?

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by KingMachiavelli on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:19PM (#34649784)
I'll say the EA and rationalist community varies a great deal from location to location. Where I am the vast majority use drugs at a lower rate than the general population. There's of course some outliers that are into psychedelics but it's still a very distinct subgroup. Where I am the majority of EA/rationalists are more public policy and human focused and less concerned about AI/x-risk and way more skeptical of cryptocurrency.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by darth_avocado on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:35PM (#34649939)
I was briefly pulled into EA through a friend. Unfortunately my experience as a man was also bad enough to turn me off. The TLDR version of this was:

1. Most people were full of themselves and full of s** 2. This was just like everything else, a business. Most people were in it for themselves, making a career out of EA, networking for professional growth, using ea in their own workplace to climb ranks and the worst ones were just people virtue signaling for Instagram. 3. Drug, sex and alcohol was heavily involved 4. At the end of the day, there was a lot of talking and less doing, which was the problem that it is supposed to solve in the first place

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by OkayPhysicist on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:37PM (#34649954)
I can't imagine what benefits they were looking for in opioid use/abuse. Like, most drugs have a very distinct use, ranging from "directly beneficial" like using stimulants to increase productivity, to "socially useful" like using alcohol or MDMA as a social lubricant. Opiates don't really fall into any of those boxes. They're not mechanistically useful: If you want euphoria, there are better drugs like MDMA or ketamine. If you want to prematurely end your stimulant rush, booze, GHB, or ketamine will do that. Their primary use is as a coping mechanism, because they make you feel generically good regardless of your actual situation. And they're not really socially useful either, because unlike, say, cocaine, the overlap between "valuable people to have in my social network" and "people who shoot heroin" is practically non-existent.

I say this as someone who is very drug positive: Stay away from opiates, except for treating extreme, acute, physical pain.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by mynameisvlad on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:09PM (#34650185)
I mean, just like with a lot of drug abuse, it’s a method of escape. An extremely good way to make you forget about your troubles.

It wouldn’t have been anywhere near as big of a problem as it is if it wasn’t good at that.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by skissane on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:17AM (#34654650)
> And they're not really socially useful either

A relative of mine-who used to be a heavy marijuana user-told me how he once tried heroin-and he really didn’t like how it made him behave socially-he says it made him smug, arrogant, and an asshole who felt superior to everyone else. I don’t know if that’s some kind of idiosyncratic reaction to it or a common one, but he told me it was enough to convince him to not try it again, and just stick to marijuana and alcohol, which didn’t have the same effect on him

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by theragra on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:30PM (#34695820)
There are obvious benefits for using opiates for your life. You will be less agitated, calmer, kinder and will be able to tolerate unpleasant stuff better. I'm speaking also from experience.

Problem is, it always comes to not wanting normal undrugged life afterwards.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by brnt on Friday February 03, 2023 @10:28PM (#34651120)
This sounds very familiar. The Netherlands is the only country in the world where alcohol consumption correlates positively with education level, and thus alcoholism and associated ills. It's nearly impossible to find people in these circles that think of alcohol as something to be careful with. Alcoholism only happens to 'others'.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by freddie_mercury on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:21AM (#34653049)
> The Netherlands is the only country in the world where alcohol consumption correlates positively with education level

I'm reasonably sure this isn't true. It is also the case in the UK and the US. It is presumably also the case for many other countries, since it is hard to imagine what would make the UK, the US, and the Netherlands somehow unique in the world.

UK: "Higher educational attainment is associated with increased odds of daily alcohol consumption and problem drinking. The relationship is stronger for females than males. Individuals who achieved high test scores in childhood are at a significantly higher risk of abusing alcohol across all dimensions"

https://rmitlibraryvn.rmit.edu.vn/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=...

US: "Greater alcohol consumption is also associated with having a higher educational level and having a higher income [...] In the college sample, educational achievement is positively associated with drinking"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4838609/

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by benj111 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:15AM (#34653303)
Middle class alcoholism is viewed very differently to lower class alcoholism. If you have X glasses of wine a night but otherwise have a functional life, that is 'ok'. Getting shitfaced on a Friday night isn't.

Although it's the middle classes that write the rules so make of that what you will.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by brnt on Saturday February 04, 2023 @05:44AM (#34653429)
> UK, the US, and the Netherlands somehow unique in the world.

O actually there's a ton. These are solidly protestant cultures, with a history of hypocrisy.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by denton-scratch on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:21AM (#34653926)
> alcohol consumption correlates positively with education level

Not too surprising; drinking a lot, frequently, is expensive. High education level correlates with high income. It's cheaper to get wasted on almost any illegal drug than it is with alcohol.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by naasking on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:22AM (#34652093)
> I intentionally drifted away from that group around that time, so I don’t know what happened to them

This isn't a convincing story that they were wrong if you don't actually know what happened to them. It just looks like you're showing a bit of that hubris yourself, in assuming they went off a cliff.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by watwut on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:49AM (#34653181)
OP disassociate with them when issues caught up with them. Even if their fixed their lifes after, this point stands.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Kinrany on Saturday February 04, 2023 @06:47AM (#34653722)
It does not, not if they succeeded and ended up better off than if they haven't started using in the first place.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by watwut on Saturday February 04, 2023 @07:24AM (#34653943)
You genuinely believe that this had potential to happen after the issues related to drugs started to show up? Cause it is very very unlikely.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by Kinrany on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:43AM (#34654413)
However unlikely it is, naasking is right that OP's comment contains zero new information.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by watwut on Sunday February 05, 2023 @06:31PM (#34671015)
It does not. They started having drug related issues despite thinking it won't happen.

OP disassociating at that point is OP exercising good judgement. It does not cancel out his observation that issues started.

The "maybe in next few months they gained something super special" is pure speculation - and it is not even that these people took drugs with that expectation. Instead they took drugs expecting no issues will happen to them.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by naasking on Sunday February 05, 2023 @07:23PM (#34671523)
> The "maybe in next few months they gained something super special" is pure speculation

As is the assumption that it all went to shit, that's why this "story" is useless as some cautionary tale. "Started having problems" could mean anything, from "life spiraled out of control" to "their mom found out and bitched at them".

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by watwut on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:14AM (#34674302)
This is their original believe: they convinced themselves that they could harness recreational opioid use to improve their lives, but avoid the negative consequences that “normies” suffered by doing it wrong

This is claim of later: the realities of recreational opioid use caught up with them and they were blind to the warning signs

There is no need for them experiencing the worst of heroine addiction or whatever for them to be wrong and or right. At that point, they has drug related issues so they were wrong.

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by naasking on Monday February 06, 2023 @07:30AM (#34676388)
> This is claim of later: the realities of recreational opioid use caught up with them and they were blind to the warning signs. [...] At that point, they has drug related issues so they were wrong.

Right, so what realities were that exactly? What "warning signs"? How do you know this wasn't just the OP projecting some bullshit that doesn't actually matter?

Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by naasking on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:58AM (#34654519)
What issues? How significant were these issues? The information is so vague that it tells us nothing. I'm skeptical opioids can be used this way, but the OP's post is not evidence of that.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by heavyset_go on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:32AM (#34654759)
You genuinely can't make this shit up. Normally, if someone told me that rationalists were Bayes-ing themselves into justifying their own opioid addictions, I'd say that attempt at satire's a little too on the nose. This is just absolutely incredible.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme... by pk-protect-ai on Saturday February 04, 2023 @01:48PM (#34656920)
This in particular does not look clever:

"They believed themselves to have a better grasp on human nature and behavior than the average person, and therefore believed they were better at controlling themselves."