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Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by bigmattystyles on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:28PM (#34634830)
What can be done with a balloon that a satellite cannot?
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by jrexilius on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:35PM (#34634904)
Verify operations when space becomes a denied environment due to debris field...

(edit to add: i.e. field test planned comms and sensors platforms for use in future conflict scenarios)

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by CyanLite4 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:38PM (#34634929)
Probably some sensors to see what we’re doing with our nuke bases in Montana.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by HL33tibCe7 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:31PM (#34634859)
Provocation
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by ajross on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:42PM (#34634972)
Or an airplane, or a drone flown out of a parking lot nearby, or frankly even a google maps photo. I agree, the threat here seems sorta vague and silly. Aerial reconnaissance over industrialized democracies is a pretty wide open threat model. If we have stuff sitting out in the back yards we should throw a tarp on it or something.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by c_o_n_v_e_x on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:50PM (#34635057)
not be obscured by clouds
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by willis936 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:55PM (#34635687)
Clouds are much lower altitude than this balloon.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by c_o_n_v_e_x on Thursday February 02, 2023 @10:57PM (#34636959)
Yes, this high altitude balloon is above the clouds. I was answering what can be done with a balloon.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by mabbo on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:53PM (#34635088)
Some ideas, brainstorming here...

Tracking: satellites are incredibly easy to track once you know their orbital parameters. A balloon, far less so. You need a lot of active tracking.

Altitude: a balloon is much closer to the ground than a satellite. That allows a much smaller camera to take the same picture. It also could give you access to radio signals that might not be as easily monitored from space.

Harder to spot: being closer to the ground, it will be beyond the horizon until it's much closer.

And of course it's far, far cheaper. The Chinese space program is doing well, but it's still very expensive to build and launch satellites.

There are of course numerous downsides.

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by floxy on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:36PM (#34635498)
I wonder what kinds of capabilities you could have in a $25,000 mass produced balloon. 100,000 of those would only cost $2.5 billion. It seems like that would be a pretty overwhelming problem to deal with if your job was to suddenly get rid of 100,000 balloons.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by flir on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:43PM (#34635569)
I've played that game. You need monkeys with darts.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by smalley on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:12PM (#34635266)
Additionally

Measure Response: Determine what an adversary nation does in response to the violation (what resources are scrambled, where do they come from etc)

Messaging: All the permutations of two sets of government folks trying to send a message the pair mutually understand re: defense etc

Tie up resources: Low cost provocation may divert higher cost resources and tie them up for a longer period of time since its a dwelling threat

Acquire signal information: Use sensors and measurement systems outside of the threat to measure the locations and signatures of tracking systems deployed to assess and monitor the threat

Deploy lightweight physical payloads: dust something of interest over an area etc

Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by walrus01 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:15PM (#34635294)
A sufficiently large balloon with enough payload capacity (and some method of data link back to its operators) would probably be more useful for SIGINT and rf spectrum days gathering, assuming it has directional antennas aimed at whatever is directly underneath it. Same capability in a LEO satellite weighing 500kg+ might be very costly to launch.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by scotteric on Thursday February 02, 2023 @08:09PM (#34635797)
Optically, you are limited by angular resolution, so less distance means better resolution on the ground.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by analog31 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @11:16PM (#34637082)
AliExpress delivery drone. I'm expecting my $2 ESP32 boards any time now.
Re:Chinese surveillance balloon spotted over U.S., Pentagon ... by xeromal on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:50AM (#34637598)
Probably costs a few order of magnitudes less.