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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:37PM (#34598432)
Nobody in the US, and indeed most of the world, "owns" their property. Try not paying your property taxes, and see where that gets you. You lease the right to usus, mostly fructus, and to some extent abusus from the state.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by notch898a on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:41PM (#34598509)
False, much of Alaska has no property tax.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:45PM (#34598589)
Fair enough. I have looked into this before and that exception has not come up before. Let's say roughly 99.7%+ of people, then.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by throwanem on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:46PM (#34598598)
Where does title revert if you die intestate and with no next of kin?
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by jonhohle on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:51PM (#34598707)
It goes to probate like any other property.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:45PM (#34598578)
I feel that this is a misleading. Property taxes are not leases on property but simply a disincentive to hoarding unused land.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:48PM (#34598639)
Maybe in theory, but functionally it is the same. You don't pay your property taxes, you get a lien, and can eventually, in extreme circumstances, be foreclosed on.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:26PM (#34601440)
I do not understand your point, really. Obviously, from a legal standpoint, ownership exists. But you say, no, no, no, that's not _reaaaal_ ownership, since I have to pay property taxes.

When most people talk about ownership, when the law talks about ownership, it exists, and I think that is enough for it to exist.

Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @03:41AM (#34608020)
That's okay, it requires some knowledge of rather niche economic philosophies. I'd suggest reading into some philosophy of property, labor, and ownership. Specifically in the right-libertarian and left-anarchist traditions. Start with John Locke and Adam Smith, then move into thinkers such as Marx, Proudhon, George (Henry, of Georgism fame), Nozick, Rothbard, and writers on similar topics.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by HDThoreaun on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:57PM (#34598828)
LVT is a disincentive to hoarding land. Property taxes are incentive to tear buildings on used land down.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by notch898a on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:29PM (#34599458)
This is a great example of how framing makes a big difference.

If I used the same framing, I would say LVT are an incentive to tear down the land (introduce toxic waste, endangered species that can't legally be disturbed, etc).

Or I could say Property taxes are a disincentive to hoarding buildings.

Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by jonhohle on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:46PM (#34598602)
Even if you consider property tax that is legally false.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by Supermancho on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:09PM (#34599071)
I'm not sure if you even understood what you're replying to, since this is pointlessly contrarian.

"legally" is an acknowledgement that the ownership is conditional on someone else who has authority about the ownership (ie the practical owner).

This is a reasonable point of view, in theory.

Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by avereveard on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:15PM (#34599175)
Even then that would mean that the state would have a voice, not the neighbors.