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Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:45PM (#34598578)
I feel that this is a misleading. Property taxes are not leases on property but simply a disincentive to hoarding unused land.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:48PM (#34598639)
Maybe in theory, but functionally it is the same. You don't pay your property taxes, you get a lien, and can eventually, in extreme circumstances, be foreclosed on.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:26PM (#34601440)
I do not understand your point, really. Obviously, from a legal standpoint, ownership exists. But you say, no, no, no, that's not _reaaaal_ ownership, since I have to pay property taxes.

When most people talk about ownership, when the law talks about ownership, it exists, and I think that is enough for it to exist.

Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by rjbwork on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @03:41AM (#34608020)
That's okay, it requires some knowledge of rather niche economic philosophies. I'd suggest reading into some philosophy of property, labor, and ownership. Specifically in the right-libertarian and left-anarchist traditions. Start with John Locke and Adam Smith, then move into thinkers such as Marx, Proudhon, George (Henry, of Georgism fame), Nozick, Rothbard, and writers on similar topics.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by HDThoreaun on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @12:57PM (#34598828)
LVT is a disincentive to hoarding land. Property taxes are incentive to tear buildings on used land down.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days by notch898a on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:29PM (#34599458)
This is a great example of how framing makes a big difference.

If I used the same framing, I would say LVT are an incentive to tear down the land (introduce toxic waste, endangered species that can't legally be disturbed, etc).

Or I could say Property taxes are a disincentive to hoarding buildings.