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Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by throwaway89201 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:18AM (#34568830)
> Something not adding up.

You are only asking questions, I understand. Please don't do that here [1].

See the Goiânia incident [2] for inspiration how such a tiny thing could be so threatening to random unsuspecting animals. While the medical source in that case was much larger – perhaps making it less dangerous because it was easier to find, although it did fall apart in more pieces – the effects when in close contact with tissue or being ingested are very similar.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by JoeAltmaier on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:27AM (#34568926)
Not my question at all.

How can it be so deadly/radioactive, yet so hard to detect?

Further, asking questions is indeed the point of these discussions. Re-reading the standards I see no prohibition.

And reading that reference article, the loss it cites was 19Tb (19 trillion bequerels). This lost capsule in Australia contains less than 100. So around what? 10 billion times less dangerous?

Thanks for the reference material, now I'm more sure than ever that this article is some kind of clickbait about a fairly miniscule risk being trumpeted as a national incident.

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by cjbgkagh on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:01AM (#34569247)
I think it’s more about a failure of process than this particular piece of radioactive material. Being proportionally cavalier about it would invite lazier handling. The next piece of radioactive material could be more dangerous. The mining company will be sent the bill and police get to practice a real life scenario. And everyone knows don’t do that again.
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by magicalhippo on Sunday January 29, 2023 @01:05PM (#34570807)
> How can it be so deadly/radioactive, yet so hard to detect?

First, it's important to keep in mind that there are different forms of radiation: ionizing[1] which is dangerous and non-ionizing which is not typically dangerous[2]. Furthermore, ionizing radiation consists of three types, alpha, beta and gamma which have different properties and thus dangerous in different ways and amounts.

The source in question contained cesium-137, which decays almost entirely (95%) by emitting beta particles. The beta particles are stopped by about 1 meter of air[3], but can do significant damage to living cells if nearby.

Thus, trying to detect it is a bit like trying to see a bright flashlight in a fog. Even though it's bright you won't see it until you're really close.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by aliqot on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:34AM (#34568999)
use your real name and say it with your chest
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:30AM (#34568954)
>You are only asking questions, I understand. Please don't do that here [1].

Where in the HN rules is it forbidding to ask questions?

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by gnad_sucks on Sunday January 29, 2023 @10:53AM (#34569178)
> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like.

I think he's referring to this. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with asking questions. I imagine that "you're only asking questions" is a reference to an usual technique of conspiracy theorists of pretending they're just asking questions to defend against being called out on baseless accusations. "Are they putting something in the water that's making the frogs gay? I'm just asking questions".

We don't know the intent here, but I agree with him that "something doesn't add up" could be an insinuation of conspiracy theory, and so against the guidelines.

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by LarryMullins on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:31AM (#34569647)
That rule bans exactly what he's doing, accusing people of "just asking questions" in the derogatory sense.
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by aww_dang on Sunday January 29, 2023 @12:54PM (#34570658)
I'm amazed at the gymnastics possible with such an innocuous phrase. It is almost perverse. Imagine trying to parse this out starting from a position of good faith.
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by gnad_sucks on Sunday January 29, 2023 @02:30PM (#34571752)
You think I'm not in good faith - that's fine.

But surely you have to concede that "I'm just asking questions" make it really easy to insinuate without directly stating, yes?

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by aww_dang on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:57PM (#34575910)
I'm just admiring the twists here, trying to understand and appreciate the gymnastic talent involved.

The triple handspring is when you insinuate that users of that phrase must be insinuating. Perfect 10 - 10 - 10 - 10 Olympic finish is when it is all done out of an abundance of paranoia.

I thought the conspiracy theorists were the paranoid and deranged ones, which is why we didn't want their unfounded and nutty comments? Apparently there is a conspiracy theorist lurking behind every tree, bush and use of, "I'm just asking questions".

Surely you have to concede with that logic there must be innumerable other phrases, trees and bushes that we haven't yet discovered?

I propose that we form a committee so that we may ensure the safety of our fragile establishment views from this menace.

Or maybe we could just skip it and engage with comments at face value, in good faith. Maybe he said just what he said? Don't know about you, but I'm a terrible psychoanalyst. Nor do I have time to go deep on every turn of phrase on the Internet.

Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by gnad_sucks on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:37PM (#34586787)
I understand where you're coming from. You're just asking questions.
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by 13of40 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:20AM (#34569503)
I read that as "don't accuse other HN users of being shills" not "you can't say this news article seems a little suspect".
Re:Australians Scour Desert for Dangerous Radioactive Capsul... by gnad_sucks on Sunday January 29, 2023 @02:31PM (#34571779)
I agree the two are different in some respects; at the same time I think the idea that baseless insinuations undermine the conversation works just as well towards news articles as towards HN users.