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Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by rcme on Saturday January 28, 2023 @11:50AM (#34559121)
> Cognitive reasoning has nothing to do with addiction.

Citation needed. As the GP pointed out, we have a correlation between addiction and lower cognitive function based on this study.

Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by guerrilla on Saturday January 28, 2023 @11:56AM (#34559164)
No, there's no citation needed because there are plenty of genius addicts and this study alone proves nothing. At the absolute bare minimum this would have to replicate.
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by rcme on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:03PM (#34559236)
> there are plenty of genius addicts.

How many is plenty? And how does that compare to the general population? The claim isn’t that addiction and intelligence are mutually exclusive. Rather, the claim is that intelligence makes addiction less likely.

Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by guerrilla on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:05PM (#34559259)
Almost all that I care about mid-last century anyway. I mean give me a break, Einstein smoked. If you seriously think addiction has anything to do with intelligence then you've never been addicted and know nothing about it.
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by rcme on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:07PM (#34559278)
Here is a study that looks at alcoholics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6851852/

According to the study, alcoholics had a lower baseline IQ before becoming addicted to alcohol. So that does seem to support that lower cognitive function is somehow linked to becoming an addict.

Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by themitigating on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:36PM (#34559586)
Could that also mean Einstein might have been even smarter had he not smoked
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by Idk__Throwaway on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:01PM (#34559217)
A genius addict disproves the broader claim no more than does "it was cold today, therefore global warming is a hoax". The rule can be true yet still have notable exceptions throughout history.
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by guerrilla on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:06PM (#34559267)
No, you're just intentionally ignoring the word "plenty."
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by Idk__Throwaway on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:10PM (#34559306)
There are "plenty" of cold days as well. Does that disprove global warming?

Not only is "plenty" not an objective quantity, but even an objectively large quantity is irrelevant if it's not a large percentage of the whole. 100k geniuses with addiction problems wouldn't disprove the rule if there are 1b people with addiction problems who are of below average intelligence.

Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by themitigating on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:37PM (#34559596)
As he should. Plenty is extremely vague. It definitely means more than 1, probably more than 3, but after that.
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by 8note on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:17PM (#34559988)
It's actually "genius" that's the problem. There aren't enough geniuses to affect a trend on their own.

You could swap "plenty" to "every" and it would still have the same problem

Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by irrational on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:09PM (#34559302)
That’s no proof they didn’t suffer cognitive decline. Perhaps Einstein did suffer cognitive decline.
Re:Smoking is associated with lower cognitive function in ol... by themitigating on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:46PM (#34559685)
I get what you're saying but best not to say "prove it didn't.."

Better to note that since the study isn't claiming every person who smokes suffer cognitive decline showing a person who is a genius and smokes isn't a counter