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Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by hammock on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @04:10PM (#34524226)
> "take your small town business and give it a world wide footprint" but it is the same. They missed the "we'll take 1/3 of your price too" part

For someone that doesn’t sell consumer goods that cut can sound like a lot.

But getting distributed in brick and mortar retail, the cut is far greater (at least 50%).

And the alternative is direct online sales, which only recently has become viable in a scalable way for most consumer brands (thinking of the DTC revolution here)

Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by ChuckMcM on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @04:34PM (#34524495)
I think this is a solid point. Different distribution methodologies change the numbers. If you sell to a distributor at 60% of list (giving them "40 points" in the lingo) and they then sell to a reseller at 80% of list, the brick and mortar store has the option of having a "10% to 15% off sale" and still making money.

Hence the "rule" that your cost of goods needs to be 1/3 of the MSRP if you want to go through two tiers of distribution.

At Freegate we shipped directly to retailers and gave them 30 points off MSRP, but that meant on a new order, they ordered from us, we shipped to them and they shipped to the customer so a fairly long lead time between order to arrival.

When I was at Google the PM for "consumer devices" was looking at what it would cost to get things on the shelf at Fry's and Bestbuy and the price negotiation was more about where on the shelf it sat rather than store profit it seemed. Something to factor in to the economics as well.

But the bottom line here is that there is a "market price" for something, and the "cost to get it to market" + "cost to make it" and if that market price is less than the sum of the other two, well you can't make it up on volume :-).

I think Amazon's LAAS business made that calculation simpler and thus there was less uncertainty about whether or not one could make any money selling them.

Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by TylerE on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @04:49PM (#34524641)
My understanding is that most stores (especially grocery stores) basically make no money on sales...purely break even +/- a percent or two... all the actual profit comes from selling premium shelf space.
Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by a9h74j on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @07:21PM (#34526159)
> make no money on sales

On the model of "make the profit on replacement parts," perhaps groceries chains should be buying hospitals chains to profit from all the unhealthy food they are selling.

Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by mtnGoat on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:31PM (#34526667)
My best friend growing up, his dad ran grocery stores. He said they had a 3-5% margin across their offerings.
Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:21PM (#34527645)
And if you look at Costco, Walmart, Kroger, Albertsons, Target, Best Buy, etc 10-K reports, you will find the same profit margins.
Re:Amazon has radically transformed small businesses in both... by hammock on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @11:18PM (#34527634)
The fact that a retail store buys their goods for half the retail price does not automatically mean they make a great profit