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Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by dh2022 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:14PM (#34473450)
They bought a whole bunch of these and other things... Too bad for the Taiwanese that all this kit is going now to Ukraine... Taiwanese weaponry backlog is growing month by month [1]. Another way China benefits from Ukraine-Russian war.

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-12/20...

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ceejayoz on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:33PM (#34473579)
A false dichotomy from an insurrectionist (and the only Senator to oppose 95-1 both Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO). The American military-industrial complex is entirely capable of ramping up to meet production needs for both, especially in the time China would need to build up a D-Day style amphibious invasion capacity.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by xtian on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:40PM (#34473632)
Why haven’t they done so yet?

"Navy Secretary Warns: If Defense Industry Can’t Boost Production, Arming Both Ukraine and the US May Become ‘Challenging’"

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/01/navy-secretary-wa...

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ceejayoz on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:45PM (#34473670)
Because they don't have to, yet. It's an "if", and it's a big "if".

IMO, the US should publicly commit to a solid order for a very large number of the weapon systems Taiwan and Ukraine would likely need in an extended double conflict. We saw in COVID (with things like tests) that "we need a billion of X, but we'll dribble out the order in much smaller quantities" tends to make industry leery of evaporating demand after making big capital investments.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by xtian on Saturday January 21, 2023 @10:01PM (#34473777)
They don’t have to yet? Here’s CSIS estimating the replacement time for various weapons transferred to Ukraine:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc_WJsWAAUP8GL?format=jpg&name=...

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ceejayoz on Saturday January 21, 2023 @11:17PM (#34474211)
C’mon, this lesson is as old as Yamamoto. Current production and “oh shit it’s a war” production are not the same.

We can ramp up Javelins faster than China can amass landing craft in numbers large enough to make invasion feasible.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by xtian on Saturday January 21, 2023 @11:21PM (#34474241)
I’m assuming that’s because of America’s deep base of industrial expertise and infrastructure as compared to that of China.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by runnerup on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:00AM (#34578199)
Indeed. Americans often seem to keep re-telling themselves the narratives of WW2. "America builds lots of cheap, effective equipment faster than our opponents." Except today, we build huge, complex, expensive equipment much slower than others.

China would completely swamp our manufacturing. However, they only have a small stockpile of the raw goods needed to keep up their current manufacturing levels. Even for something as basic as steel, which China's overwhelming dominance in is widely known...they are very limited by foreign imports of iron (75% of their domestic consumption of iron is provided by Australia). If China had to stop imports from Western nations, its war material production capacity would probably drop by about 75% after its 30-90 day stockpile of raw materials was used up.

How much America's production suffer without good from China? Probably fairly catastrophic as well, but more especially in the long run as industrial parts break and need replacement. The resultant domestic shortages and inflation here would quickly ruin our populations appetite for any major trade war over a small foreign island.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by xtian on Thursday February 02, 2023 @11:30AM (#34628891)
> they are very limited by foreign imports of iron (75% of their domestic consumption of iron is provided by Australia). If China had to stop imports from Western nations, its war material production capacity would probably drop by about 75% after its 30-90 day stockpile of raw materials was used up.

That’s a fair point, but US geopolitical decisions have incentivized an extremely close relationship between China and Russia, which has the third-largest iron ore reserves globally and is one of the largest producers of many other raw materials as well.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by drran on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:24AM (#34474928)
Yes and no. For example, production of Soviet-compatible ammunition is restored in some NATO countries. However, production rate is not high enough to have parity with RF. IMHO, Ukraine should capture Russian stocks in Transnistria to match RF stocks. Taiwan has no such option. Moreover, Taiwan sea routes can be easily interrupted with sea mines. If the war will start this year, then it's too late to bump up weapon production.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by ceejayoz on Sunday January 22, 2023 @10:45AM (#34478452)
The Ukraine war has demonstrated you don’t need parity in shells. A dozen or two HIMARS turned the tide against hundreds of artillery pieces; mobility, range, and accuracy mattered more than being able to send hundreds of shells in a general direction.

While we’re comparing Ukraine and Taiwan, Taiwan has significant defensive advantages; tougher terrain, no land border, and they’ve been fortifying for decades. Even river crossings in Ukraine are fraught with peril, let alone an ocean strait.

Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by xtian on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @07:16PM (#34526134)
If those qualities are so decisive then it should be noted that Russia’s Tornado-S is no less mobile than HIMARS and has a longer range with superior accuracy.
Re:Speak softly, and carry a big chip by katmannthree on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:30PM (#34473555)
Ahh yes, and that letter is worth taking very seriously because Josh Hawley definitely has no possible ulterior motives regarding limiting aid to Ukraine as a way to help a certain group of people he runs with.