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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by kderbyma on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:17AM (#34454210)
Pinchai has been a Terrible pick. He made google just worse. Like a passive aggressive leader...
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by ptero on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:39AM (#34454506)
Not to defend him, but I think by 2015 google has already lost its way, focusing not on developing groundbreaking technology, but on using it's dominance to squeeze any money even if it meant encouraging addictive behaviors.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by kccqzy on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:07PM (#34456164)
2015 sounds about right. Three Years of Misery Inside Google is one of the best articles you can find about the seemingly sudden change of culture that made working at Google miserable.

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-google-three-years-misery...

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by user_7832 on Friday January 20, 2023 @05:34PM (#34461039)
Wow, thanks for that article. It’s quite a long read, though a bit sad/disappointing, as someone who once believed in Google.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by fooker on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:56PM (#34456939)
I interned at Google around 2015 and again 2019 as a grad student. The culture was dramatically different, even in a very similar team.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by rightbyte on Friday January 20, 2023 @04:30PM (#34460208)
Care to elaborate. In what way? I have always though their crazy hiring rate would erase their "culture" like every two years.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by fooker on Friday January 20, 2023 @05:30PM (#34460986)
TGIF was not a thing people watched or went to anymore. The number of meetings doubled. Employees were actively discouraged to look through code in google3 and design documents that did not concern their work (search for 'need to know' in Memegen if it still exists).

The main thing that weirded me out and ultimately caused me to decide not to work for Google was that everyone was talking about perf and promotions all the time. Everyone in the team structured their work accordingly, and tales of people who obtained promotions because of heroic effort for achieving something was a recurring topic in group conversations.

There was cost cutting efforts everywhere. There was significantly more red tape involved in requisitioning a heavy duty computer needed for my work (compiler development). The food in the micro kitches were toned down in variety and quality. Food trucks disappeared. The food in the cafes was unchanged but dinner was no longer served at about half of the cafes.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by epolanski on Friday January 20, 2023 @08:10PM (#34462626)
Stadia was launched after 2015, best streaming service for games by far.

Then they killed it.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by peanuty1 on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:28AM (#34454369)
Do you attribute that to his lack of EECS background like the poster above you? Also, is Pinchai a typo or a play on words with "penny-pincher"?
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by cptskippy on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:57AM (#34454801)
I always assumed his appointment was strategic, Pichai got his position shortly after Nadella took over Microsoft. This coincided with announcements like Android One and other products targeting or focusing on the Indian market which is emerging as a force on the global stage.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by FearlessNebula on Friday January 20, 2023 @07:13PM (#34462156)
You think they chose an Indian CEO to appeal to the Indian market? I can’t imagine they’d make such a huge decision over a factor like that.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by cptskippy on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:00PM (#34494138)
Companies do it all the time for diversity and inclusion reasons. I'm not suggesting either CEO is un/under qualified for the position, but rather given a pool of highly qualified candidates they chose to sort the list for a particular attribute.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by warning26 on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:21AM (#34455289)
I’ve seen him speak in person, and this is completely correct. He just chases shiny things; there’s no vision for the company at all, just “oh well this seems interesting”.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by bushbaba on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:38AM (#34455613)
He’s thoughtful
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by commandlinefan on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:52AM (#34455898)
> just “oh well this seems interesting”

To play devil's advocate (I'm no fan of Google in any way), but this is also how Elon Musk operates, and it seems to be going well for him.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by azinman2 on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:16PM (#34456315)
Is that sarcasm? I can’t tell
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by commandlinefan on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:36PM (#34456606)
Not at all. He did lose a lot of money recently, but most of that is "on paper" - he still has at least that much left over. I'd be more than happy to have his problems. He's in a valley right now, but his batting average is very high.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by xiphias2 on Friday January 20, 2023 @03:01PM (#34458961)
Elon Musk is strongly outspoken, and has strong vision, communicates the vision, although it can change in a day. But at least everybody in the company (or rather everybody on Twitter) knows the plan to execute on.

When Sundar speaks he speaks politically, so that he can never be wrong (at the same time if I just watched his talks, I couldn't even know that I'm at a search company).

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by warning26 on Friday January 20, 2023 @06:19PM (#34461554)
> communicates the vision

He seemed to do a pretty good job with that at Tesla/SpaceX, but I’d argue he’s really dropped the ball at Twitter. No one seems to have any idea what “Twitter 2.0” even is supposed to be.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by xiphias2 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:16AM (#34465907)
I agree that he really dropped the ball (I moved to nostr because of him not allowing links to nostr). I think it was because he lost tens of billions of dollars because of the amount of leverage he had, the market downturn, and advertisers dropping so much because of the political uncertainty that Elon brought (advertisers are risk averse by default).

I think all of us have an idea of what social media should be compared to what it is now (looking at what my friends and people I'm interested in it are doing), but it's not compatible with the amount of advertising revenue that needs to be generated to justify a $40B valuation.

There's a deep conflict between the value provided to the users and the value created to advertisers, and Elon highly underestimated that conflict, so now he's (and Tesla investors are) paying the price.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by seunosewa on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:43PM (#34457707)
I often wonder why Larry and Sergey aren't more active. They seemed to have a pretty good vision.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by karmasimida on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:37AM (#34455592)
Maybe. But they should really keep the companies leaner than it currently is …

The self motivated bottom up Google way can’t scale like this.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by browningstreet on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:51PM (#34456869)
Who has the harder/worse job: CEO of Microsoft or CEO of Alphabet/Google?
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by eftychis on Friday January 20, 2023 @08:45PM (#34462899)
Neither? My prediction is the latter will retire coming up and have the next one clean the mess.

Personal opinion and jaded perspective of course. Disclaimer: don't like shortsighted "follow the shiny thing" decisions. I haven't seen evidence the CEO of Google has positioned the company for the long term or to survive. Namely, the bus would have been going fine if not better without some if not all of the Google leadership on the wheel.

I hope I am wrong.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by nova22033 on Friday January 20, 2023 @03:46PM (#34459685)
Google market cap has more than doubled since he took over.