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Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by WaxProlix on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:49PM (#34415817)
> below the Theranos level

Isn't that just like, an insanely high bar of fraud to meet? How many things in recent memory rise to the level of fraud that Theranos represents?

"Not the most fraudulent fraudsters" just comes across as a damningly weak defense (imo).

Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by sidewndr46 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:51PM (#34415832)
The only unique thing about the Theranos fraud is it seem Holmes didn't make an overt moves to profit off the inflated valuation of the company.
Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by spoiler on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:55PM (#34415917)
I think she genuinely believed in the technology, and thought they just needed more time. Like, she kept pressuring people to work on it, and there were some small advancements in the tech, just not good enough.

I think the worst thing they did was giving those device out to healthcare institutions, when they knew it was inaccurate.

I'm not defending her, she was clearly dangerously delusional, but I think it explains why she didn't behave like a classical con artist/scammer

Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by ronsor on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:53PM (#34415879)
> How many things in recent memory rise to the level of fraud that Theranos represents?

Mr. SBF from FTX would like to have a word with you.

Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by WaxProlix on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:58PM (#34415977)
True, crypto sort of lives in its own world of perpetual ongoing fraud/grift, eh?
Re:Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer t... by NicoJuicy on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:59PM (#34415993)
FTX was crypto. If you're suprised by fraud there, you haven't been paying attention the last years.