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Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by michpoch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:02PM (#34390905)
I think it should not be added. There are so many US-only news and we’re not adding the “in USA”.

Please do not assume default = USA.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by medellin on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:23PM (#34391081)
You just argued why you should be the country in the title but then somehow came to the wrong conclusion
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by michpoch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:34PM (#34391185)
I just have realistic expectations what I can achieve in this calm Sunday evening.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by unethical_ban on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:10PM (#34390969)
Your first paragraph signals US is the default.

I discovered today that stripe is half based in Ireland. It would add valuable context to say which of its two countries this story refers to, since it involves country specific pension setups.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:25PM (#34391097)
Regrettably, due to USA's brand of capitalism, these days, the word pension means it's probably not a USA thing.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by ghaff on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:50PM (#34391316)
There are pros and cons to defined benefit (i.e. pension in US speak) and defined contribution (e.g. 401-k) plans. Among other things, defined benefit plans--when they were more common--were mostly oriented around people staying at the same company for a decade or more. Usually if you just stayed for 2-3 years you got nothing or almost nothing.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by lotsofpulp on Sunday January 15, 2023 @03:15PM (#34392855)
There is almost no value to paying someone else to manage your retirement funds when you can do the same thing they do for 0.03% to 0.08% expense ratios with a target date retirement fund from vanguard/Schwab/fidelity or mix and match the various broad market stock/bond funds.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by ghaff on Sunday January 15, 2023 @05:36PM (#34394382)
There often seems to be an implicit assumption that the money funding defined benefit contributions came from a magic money tree somewhere (or at least did so until it turned out that the tree wasn't producing enough).

I know in the years that I was earning into a deferred benefit plan, I barely gave it a passing thought. And, had you asked me if I would prefer cash or for the equivalent to be funneled into some opaque benefits system that would hopefully pay out someday, I'm pretty sure what I would have chosen.

Are some people better with defined benefits? Almost certainly. But at some point you're being pretty paternalistic to say you should much less must take that option.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by unethical_ban on Sunday January 15, 2023 @06:53PM (#34395000)
There was a time where it was expected, and then it was taken away. Now, we are all slaves to the broader market with no guarantees, where once we had guarantees.

And coincidentally, wealth inequality is unrivaled in modern times.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by ghaff on Sunday January 15, 2023 @07:04PM (#34395084)
Nothing is keeping you from putting some portion of your salary into long-term low-risk bonds or even into annuities of various types. Your total compensation is presumably the same (given tax effects) so you're basically saying that you'd rather an employer handle some portion of your savings for you than handling it yourself. And there have certainly been defined-benefit failures and reductions of various kinds so there were pretty much never any guarantees.

Again, you seem to be assuming that there was some special pool of money that went into defined benefits that got pulled back. Which isn't true. Companies pay what they need to hire including benefits packages.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by unethical_ban on Sunday January 15, 2023 @06:54PM (#34395008)
Except back then pensions were tied to the company you worked for, and were guaranteed. 401k funds are not guaranteed.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by lotsofpulp on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:18PM (#34396025)
Assuming the company existed, and was not corrupt in handling all that money. But there is a lot of volatility in a company existing for 50+ years in the future, and there is a lot of corruption.

Hence the tightening of DB pension funding and investment rules (PPA 2006), culminating in non taxpayer funded DB pensions being untenable expensive.

401k funds are as guaranteed as any defined benefit pension. They both get invested into SP500 index funds, and they both get bailed out just the same by the federal government. If the stock market tanks, the DB pension is going down just like any 401k.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:55PM (#34395893)
A 401k is not a pension! The nitpick about how much the manager shows how much you've been fooled. Elsewhere, a pension is a government guaranteed faucet of money for retirement.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by lotsofpulp on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:21PM (#34396047)
Depends on the locality. In the UK, they refer to something similar to 401k as a pension also. The long form would be “defined benefit pension” or “defined contribution pension”.

In the former, you are promised (defined) how much you will get in your retirement, in the latter, you are promised how much will be contributed to your retirement savings (but not how much you will get).

> The nitpick about how much the manager shows how much you've been fooled.

I do not know what this is referring to.

>Elsewhere, a pension is a government guaranteed faucet of money for retirement.

The US has that too, called social security.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:40PM (#34396533)
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Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by makeitdouble on Sunday January 15, 2023 @01:01PM (#34391431)
“Default” and “status quo” aren’t the same.

Also, this publication is from the Business Post, which is based in Dublin (domain being “businesspost.ie” is clear about this point, and it’s already next to the title). That seems enough of a hint to me that this news might have Irish components.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by noyoudumbdolt on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:07PM (#34390950)
Why shouldn’t one assume that? Default is USA on an English-language tech forum.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:33PM (#34391164)
because we're better than that. I'm saying this from inside the USA, mind you. It cheapens our interactions here to be the same bland boringness of big box stores and strip malls of America. do you fly to Vegas or Boston or New York, just to visit their Best Buy? There's interesting things within - there's many an article about the intricacies of 401ks - but to hear from outside about a totally different system and how it works?

I'm here for interesting and "default USA", isn't

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by ipaddr on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:14PM (#34391005)
I doubt most people think that way. There are so many english speaking countries that make up what an average tech forum is nevermind english speakers from non english speaking countries.

Now a German tech forum it's easy to identify with one country

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by noyoudumbdolt on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:15PM (#34391018)
>Now a German tech forum it's easy to identify with one country

Sounds like you’d be disrespecting Austrians, and Austrian and German diaspora all over the world by u/michpoch’s logic.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by ipaddr on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:42PM (#34391258)
Things I haven't considered and that's fair. I take back my German comment.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by michpoch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @01:16PM (#34391566)
It’d be clear by the .de domain.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by heywhatupboys on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:10PM (#34390972)
you know what is funny? English has become the de-facto world language, and then we go an learn it in school in order to survive in this global world.

And then when happens? American cultural imperialism uses this fact to subjugate the world under its "default culture umbrella". You know what, stop holding on to the English language as if it gives you a free pass to choose what cultures and countries are important.

American people will tend to post American centric views and news and that is FINE! So by default, most posts will be about the USA, leave the posts alone that are not

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by michpoch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:13PM (#34390990)
The guy you responded is just a troll, not worth arguing back.

Most Americans, at least here, do not act like this.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by noyoudumbdolt on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:14PM (#34390997)
Subjugation by cultural imperialism lmao. No one is making you watch our tv shows or read our books or wear our clothes. I’m always amused at the casual anti-Americanism of other Westerners. It’s usually not logical at all, just pure resentment.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by dang on Monday January 16, 2023 @01:54PM (#34404132)
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines*. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

* (and also because of the trollish username - those aren't allowed here - see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...)

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by dang on Monday January 16, 2023 @01:58PM (#34404175)
Please don't perpetuate nationalistic flamewar on HN. It just makes everything worse.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note this one:

"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by dymk on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:07PM (#34390951)
The default assumption on this USA based site run by a USA based company is "USA" unless otherwise stated.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by michpoch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:12PM (#34390981)
Then it should be news.ycombinator.us

.com is an global domain.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by catiopatio on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:23PM (#34391083)
“[.com] was originally administered by the United States Department of Defense … and remains under ultimate jurisdiction of U.S. law“

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.com

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by gggggg5 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:27PM (#34391114)
That hardly seems relevant? Literally all TLDs are ultimately under US jurisdiction, given that the ICANN is under US jurisdiction.
Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by catiopatio on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:31PM (#34391152)
US government built it, a US company runs it, and US law applies to it.

It’s silly to complain that US companies and US-focused sites shouldn’t use it.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by gggggg5 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:36PM (#34391207)
>US government built it, a US company runs it, and US law applies to it.

All also true of .ie and .fr and .eu and whatever other TLDs you might want to choose.

>It’s silly to complain that US companies and US-focused sites shouldn’t use it.

Nobody complained about that.

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by zdragnar on Sunday January 15, 2023 @01:41PM (#34391813)
The news is really specific to Ireland due to Irish tax laws.

Why shouldn't this very relevant context be in the title?

Re:Stripe clawed back pension contributions after staff cuts by Nullabillity on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:22PM (#34396433)
Stripe is doing it despite not having to. Where it's happening is irrelevant.