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Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by superkuh on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:42AM (#34390712)
Definitely performative, just like the similar legislation by nation states and US states trying to make internal combustion cars illegal.

California has the infrastructure and population all squeezed into valleys/coastlines combined with very temperate climate making it perfect for EVs. Wyoming has it's population spread out equally everywhere and has little EV infrastructure and terribly cold climate.

But neither of these states should be trying to pass these silly laws just to highlight their respective situations.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by toomuchtodo on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:45AM (#34390745)
Combustion emissions are terrible in California due to them being held over population centers, caused by mountain geography and prevailing winds. It makes sense for them to encourage EV uptake and outlaw new combustion vehicle sales. Air pollution kills, this science is settled. They also, on average, generate roughly half of their daily electrical demands from solar (per CAISO and ElectricityMap.org).

Wyoming has no excuse. It’s willful ignorance attempting to protect a dying industry. They’re attempting the same with their coal industry, so it’s not unexpected, just disappointing.

https://trib.com/business/energy/demand-for-wyoming-coal-is-...

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by JohnBooty on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:52AM (#34390805)

    California
Ever been to LA? No, obviously. But I assure you the smog there is not "performative."
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by alexose on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:53AM (#34390821)
The situations are quite different. For one, California's laws do actually influence the auto manufacturing sector. They're typically the tip of the spear when it comes to things like emissions standards. Because the state represents such a big part of the auto buying market, it's usually easier for manufacturers to go along with the regulations (rather than introducing separate supply chains for vehicles sold in various states).
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by hef19898 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:45AM (#34390744)
Doesn't matter, most big car OEMs are going to stop ICE production somewhere around he 2035 mark anyway, whether there are laws or not.

Doesn't mean it illegal to own old ICE vehicles so, just that there won't any new ones being sold anymore.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by oceanplexian on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:01PM (#34390895)
It will take several decades to upgrade the grid to handle EVs. Look at places like California where the grid can’t even keep up with air conditioners, and they want to charge tens of millions of cars with it?

Building power plants and electric infrastructure takes decades. And if electricity is less reliable and more expensive than gasoline (which is what will inevitably happen in any market where demand is greater than supply), then there’s no economic incentive for anyone to buy EVs.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by JKCalhoun on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:10PM (#34390970)
You may be right, but as I understand it, charging is cheaper if limited to the evening/night and demand on the grid is much, much lower.
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by Fatnino on Sunday January 15, 2023 @04:56PM (#34393966)
When everyone is charging their cars at night demand will probably be higher than by day.
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by edmundsauto on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:12PM (#34390985)
The funny part is that Wyoming is too small a market to change automakers strategy. If they enacted this, It would result in their citizens just not being able to buy new cars in 15 years.
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by rsj_hn on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:48AM (#34390773)
I very much doubt this will happen. Toyota announced it will continue to produce ICE cars, and other major manufacturers will walk back their vague "goals" once the utopian goals are revealed to be impractical. Or perhaps the goals will just keep getting pushed forward and there will be lip service paid to them during the annual Davos conferences.

Several US automakers may not make it, though. They are long past their sell by date anyways, and will probably go out of business after abandoning ICE production.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by toomuchtodo on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:54AM (#34390829)
Scroll down to the part of my below citation where each jurisdiction is identified with new combustion vehicle sales bans. This forces auto supply chains to reconfigure or die.

Some jurisdictions might walk their bans back, but you only require a critical mass of the total addressable market to stick to it for it to remain effective. “As California goes, so goes the nation.” and all the jazz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by jefftk on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:17PM (#34391029)
> you only require a critical mass of the total addressable market to stick to it for it to remain effective.

I think that's backwards. Instead, for it's still to be practical to buy new ICE cars in states where they are legal you just need those states to cover enough population that it's worth it for some manufacturer to keep producing the cars. I would expect that to happen even if we were only talking about 5% of the population living in those states if those states continue to have strong demand for ICE vehicles (and so the remaining manufacturer could sell a lot of whatever they kept producing).

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by rsj_hn on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:58AM (#34390871)
Scroll down to the part where something was actually enacted as opposed to being promised to be enacted long after the legislators leave office. These "plans", "pledges" are about as reliable as carbon net zero promises. It is purely performative. You may not have noticed, but carbon emissions keep going up. As does coal use [https://www.iea.org/news/the-world-s-coal-consumption-is-set...].

But lets have another pledge, it will all be phased out in 2040!

Also, the part about California leading the nation has stopped being true a long time ago. California is an object lesson in government dysfunction, wacky ideas, a crazy, utopian electorate that is disconnected from reality and a shrinking population as people flee to more sane jurisdictions where things actually work. It is by far the most hated state in the nation, and is generally used as a slur.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by toomuchtodo on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:00PM (#34390885)
California is the world’s fourth largest economy and has 12% of the US population (39 million compared to the 600k folks living in Wyoming). It’ll continue to be an economic powerhouse long after people complaining online about the state are gone. If complaining makes you feel better, do so, but it doesn’t change the facts. It’s certainly not going to hurt California [1].

Edit: I have never lived in California.

[1] https://youtu.be/LlOSdRMSG_k

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by rsj_hn on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:17PM (#34391025)
Nothing hurts some Californians' feelings than the simple fact that the rest of the nation no longer looks to them for guidance.

Yes, California is still big. But it's no longer a leader. The idea "but California did this" is no longer an argument in favor of something. It's often an argument against doing something.

I am sorry if this triggers you, but it's reality.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by mynameisvlad on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:22PM (#34391072)
Source? Says who? Your opinion is clearly evident, but it’s just that, your opinion.
Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by rsj_hn on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:35PM (#34391190)
There are many surveys out there. California generally competes with Illinois and New Jersey as the most hated state and the most dysfunctional state.

For example, https://www.cagrocers.com/california-repeats-worst-run-state...

It has a broad reputation for dysfunction in basically every area. Energy -- it imports 20% of its electricity from the rest of the nation's grid to get around wacky anti-carbon rules for domestically produced energy, and as a result has the highest energy costs in the nation as well as suffering from rolling blackouts. It is the state of constant fires because of forest mismanagement due to a politically influential "don't chop down our precious trees" faction. (California's chronic fires are also blamed on global warming). It has one of the worst education systems and a truly insane educational policy ("we will create 5 million Galois' by eliminating math classes!"). Terrible homeless problem. Terrible crime problem. A shrinking population. Massively dysfunctional housing market. And one of the highest tax burdens. Massive infrastructure problems.

Etc.

It's really hard to think of any area of public policy - from tax policy to education to energy or crime -- and say "Hey, what California is doing is working really well, we should emulate that".

Maybe in the 1970s you could say that, but not now.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by mynameisvlad on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:46PM (#34391287)
Choosing a 13 year old clearly reblogged article from an organization known as “24/7 Wall St.” (with a dot and all) as your source is an interesting way to provide a credible source showing the current opinion of everyone in the US regarding California. It’s not even a survey, which would have been obvious had you spent the time to actually look at it rather than cherry-pick the first result off Google which lined up with your opinion.

It’s especially ridiculous since that’s literally just one organization’s opinion on California.

And their opinion is solely based on 4 key indicators and nothing else. I’m not a data scientist but even I know that you can pretty easily find 4 key metrics which allow you to rank states in any way you choose.

If you were to actually look up the organization, you would see it’s just a random blog (not that it is at all surprising considering their name), and that their 2021 rankings had California solidly in the middle of the pack, not that it makes a difference considering how limited their methodology is.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2021/05/19/the-states-w...

Finally, just because you can’t think of any areas does not mean any don’t exist. You’ve made your opinions clear already.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by rsj_hn on Sunday January 15, 2023 @02:39PM (#34392471)
I gave multiple examples related to energy, education, environmental policy, crime, etc, and urged you to learn how to use a search engine to look up surveys. You fixated maniacally on not liking that the word "wall st" appeared in a blog title.

Cute.

You wouldn't happen to be from California, by any chance? I can see the ninja-like reading comprehension and reasoning skills are strong here.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by mynameisvlad on Sunday January 15, 2023 @03:01PM (#34392718)
I fixated on the provenance and methodology of the single source you provided.

Your opinions are, once again, just that. They’re not facts, regardless how convincing you try sounding. I’m not going to respond to them because I made my thoughts on them clear already. You’re entitled to them, but they’re not anything except that.

> You wouldn't happen to be from California, by any chance? I can see the ninja-like reading comprehension and reasoning skills are strong here.

I’m not, but nice ad hominem you tried there. Not that my words would be worth more or less based on where I live, but that clearly matters a lot to you.

Re:Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 by b5n on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:16PM (#34391019)
There are plenty of valid criticisms of CA, but you're clearly suffering from an advanced case of Murdoch brain worms. Please show us on the doll where CA touched you ;)