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Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by Toumassa on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:38AM (#34336407)
Very cool, still dont understand why electric cars got to be ugly ... The design is more like Prius than S-class.. Sorry for being off topic.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by lokimedes on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:51AM (#34336477)
Is it the Googlefication of cars? I remember when Google and later Material became the lodestone of interfaces, arguably moving most online graphics towards infantile colors and curves.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by dtagames on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:48AM (#34337788)
This is a great analogy! Cars used to come in different shapes and colors. Not anymore. We all have the same white/gray/black truck/SUV thing.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by ahartmetz on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @03:53AM (#34336491)
I kind of like it, it's moving away from the overly aggressive looking style of most modern cars. Maybe we can have cars for adults again instead of these Transformers-style designs. A shape that is fit for purpose (aerodynamic) is part of that.

BMW and Mercedes switch places periodically in technical and design leadership, and I think it's Mercedes's time. BMW has been going off the rails recently...

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by ricardobayes on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:11AM (#34336606)
As a kid I remember standing in ave when a new car came out, very few cars have that effect anymore (on me). New car design generally is pretty meh nowadays. Seems mid-2000s leading up to 2014-15 was peak.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by llampx on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:22AM (#34336666)
You also grew up and the world changed in that time. I had the same thing, but I realized it was just my teenage years romanticizing the designs of that era.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by smabie on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:53AM (#34338431)
Or maybe what changed was that you are no longer a kid
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by kreetx on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @09:30AM (#34338837)
Off-topic but I had the same thing with sneakers. There seemed to be all kinds of interesting experiments up until mid-2000s, but there is pretty much nothing to look at in today's stores.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by lamontcg on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:21PM (#34345046)
Incorrect. The 1984-1991 Ferrari Testarossa was the peak. Source: poster in my bedroom.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by epolanski on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @07:02AM (#34337514)
Still, it's pretty uninspired and unless you're heavily into cars looks like any other Mercedes out there.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by leokennis on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:20AM (#34338070)
Good observation. Most cars nowadays look like the "cool super car" models from Lego or Matchbox from the past. It always makes me assume their drivers are 12 year olds trapped in grown up bodies.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by rogersnm on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:08AM (#34336577)
Electric cars struggle with range limitations (compared to their non-electric counterparts), and so manufacturers try to maximise range by reducing the drag co-efficient as much as possible, even at the cost of aesthetics (everything turns into a smooth blob).
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by qikInNdOutReply on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:34AM (#34336723)
And by avoiding other energy intensive components like radar. And hiding other energy intensive appliances behind paywalls (seat heating, heating, etc.). Its basically gambling the metrics taken to a new extreme, but if you want to treat a evehicle like a normal combustion vehicle in winter, you basically can half the range.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by ricardobayes on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:09AM (#34336592)
Current cars' aerodynamics are optimized on downforce, range comes way down the line. EVs are mostly optimized for range. Blobfish, or water droplet shape is the most aerodyanamic one out there. Once manufacturers figure out battery efficiency, I think we'll see more aesthetic cars out there again. Prius was a notable exception because it also focused on range and efficiency.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by Toumassa on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @04:30AM (#34336704)
That's right, but they could make it look more like a 2016 Mercedes CLS than ... i dont know what this looks like... I mean they could work they 2010-2016 models in terms of aerodynamism. I guess electric cars have to be different..
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by dgudkov on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @05:33AM (#34337016)
The new Prius (2023) is anything but ugly.
Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by tromp on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:14AM (#34337232)
Granted it looks great. But unfortunately it had to sacrifice somce aerodynamics for it. The outgoing model had a Cd of 0.24, while the new model has 0.27.

I was all excited about replacing my 2007 Prius with the new one, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps I'll wait for the Lightyear 2 which is hugely more slippery at a Cd of 0.175.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by atombender on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @06:18AM (#34337260)
The photos in that article might not be of a real chassis design. If you look at the recent test drives of actual cars in the US, e.g. here [1] or [2], the design is a more conventional S-class type.

The prototype design looks much more sleek to me, but I'm not a car guy, and I think all modern cars are ugly.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcR8RaC3-g

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by ericmay on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:02AM (#34337904)
Historically these cars were made to be “ugly” because car makers were afraid to eat into sales of their regular cars. You could see it across the board ranging from the Honda Insight, to the Prius, to BMW’s weird looking i series cars.

There was never a reason, aerodynamic or not, to make the design look so ridiculous except if you’re the GM of the 3 Series or S class you don’t want someone else eating into your sales with a different product line.

Re:Mercedes Is the First Automaker to Offer Level 3 Self-Dri... by reneherse on Wednesday January 11, 2023 @08:17AM (#34338044)
In the example shown in the photos (not the illustrations) of TFA, the awkwardness of the design comes from trying to compress the aggressive/sporty front end shapes of Mercedes' current line of ICE models into the smooth silhouette of a range-optimized EV blob.

There's a lot of visual conflict between the two motifs, as shapes that normally have boxy, sculptural depth get squashed down into basically 2D features on the surface of the smoothed out, mouse-like volume of the overall package.

The designers seem to have been stuck with the assignment of putting a Mercedes mask onto a wide, flattened jellybean. The result is mostly successful from the side views, but seems pinched and overwrought from the front.

Additionally, some of the grille shapes on the front are likely vestigal, as EVs don't require the same ventilated cooling as combustion engines. Much to the frustration of car designers, one of the key identifying features of any brand has historically been the design of the now obsolete front grille; the functional purpose that served as an aesthetic starting point is now gone. (You can trace the gradual acceptence of grille obsolescence in the evolution of Tesla's designs.)