The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020)

Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by 1over137 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:39PM (#34306051)

>Also, the headline is wrong, it was not a Canadian chef but rather a Japanese chef living in Canada.

According to wikipedia he moved to Canada in 1971 at age 21. It calls him Japanese-Canadian. I'd wager he's become a Canadian citizen by now, though I can't be bothered to research it. Do you have evidence that is he not Canadian?

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:45PM (#34306090)

At the time of his invention, back in '71, I'd say he was pretty Japanese. Today he's likely Canadianized. So the spirit of the invention is Japanese, rather than Canadian.

If I move to the UK and invent something, is it automatically a British invention, or an American invention?

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by pvg on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:54PM (#34306146)

the spirit of the invention is Japanese, rather than Canadian.

This is a pretty silly argument but the spirit (and purpose) of the invention is also clearly to make something more suitable for Canadian tastes of the time.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by JimtheCoder on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:48PM (#34306115)

But the headline of the story is technically not incorrect...that is that point being made I think...

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mb7733 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:00PM (#34306202)

He immigrated in '71, invention was "late 70s".

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by InCityDreams on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:04PM (#34306614)

>If I move to the UK and invent something, is it automatically a British invention, or an American invention?

Well, certainly not European.

But, maybe - wouldn't it depend on where you filed your copyright/ patent/ trademark and possibly who you work for?

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by adrinux on Monday January 09, 2023 @03:27AM (#34308050)

Oh, still European. The British isles haven't drifted away from the European continent.

You're conflating a geographical area with a political arrangement. Not all Europeans are in the EU.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by dmurray on Monday January 09, 2023 @02:38AM (#34307805)

Seems like a straightforward question, as soon as we can agree on whether Nikola Tesla was Serbian/Croatian/Austrian/Yugoslavian/American.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Monday January 09, 2023 @08:06AM (#34309881)

It seems pretty accepted he was Balkan. At a minimum European. Nationality-wise he was Serbian-American.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by jacquesm on Monday January 09, 2023 @07:38AM (#34309650)

> I'd wager he's become a Canadian citizen by now

52 years? No, at best landed immigrant status. With the legendary speed of Canadian bureaucracy I expect he'll be made a citizen posthumously.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by weaksauce on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:42PM (#34306065)

> german chocolate cake

it's german's chocolate cake... the guy's last name was literally german

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:44PM (#34306079)

Right, but it's not a cake originating in Germany.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by weaksauce on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:52PM (#34314349)

correct but nobody would spell it German's chocolate cake if it was from Germany.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Monday January 09, 2023 @04:15PM (#34316179)

I don't recall seeing it in the possessive/genitive case like that. Any bakeries I go to have it as 'German Chocolate Cake' even google will autocorrect "german's choco... to german choco...

Just like hardly anyone says "baked Alaska-Florida cake".

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by jsrcout on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:15AM (#34308732)

TIL. In my defense, the first one I remember having (on my birthday at age 4 or so) was made by a nice German lady who lived up the street from us, so I guess it was a natural assumption.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by dang on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:54PM (#34306150)

Ok, I'll give you Japanese-Canadian in the title.

All the more to his credit that he figured out what the locals could handle back then.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by pvg on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:13PM (#34306276)

This whole class of problems goes away if HN simply globally replaced 'Canadian' with 'Outdoorsy':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQCyAQBgXY&t=115s

A quick check shows this is a big improvement in clarity - Outdoorsy Bacon, Outdoorsy Tire.

More ambitiously, there's renaming Canada to The Great Outdoors. The .ou country TLD is available and a lot less confusing than .ca

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by dang on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:26PM (#34306372)

Canada gets such a free pass, being loved by everybody and all. Once the world figures out what we're really up to...

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by LarryMullins on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:57PM (#34306171)

Lebanon bologna is from Lebanon... County. Not the country.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by detourdog on Monday January 09, 2023 @08:34AM (#34310105)

Shout out to my home town in the center of Pennsylvania Dutch culture.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by geomark on Sunday January 08, 2023 @09:59PM (#34306192)

Where I live we have "American breakfast." It's fried rice with ketchup in it, some little hotdogs and a fried egg. Cursed.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:03PM (#34306220)

Ha! That is a funny one. We call those miniature _frankfurters_ Wiener/Vienna Sausages --man, I hope people in Vienna don't even know what those things are.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by paxys on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:27PM (#34306387)

Slight correction – French fries are in fact from France. It's just that the name "French fries" is mostly only used in America.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by bluedino on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:37PM (#34306448)

I thought they were fried in Greece

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mindover on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:50PM (#34306518)

I thought they were from Belgium originally.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by cookie_monsta on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:39PM (#34306808)

Only if you're really Hungary

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by nullsense on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:12AM (#34307371)

And not in a Russia

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by danans on Monday January 09, 2023 @01:11AM (#34307366)

Yeah, but they're mostly associated with Hamburgers these days.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by mc32 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:47PM (#34306501)

There is a whole dispute of whether it was France, Belgium or Spain. I think most people settle on Belgium, some France and a minority point to a really old account of fried potatoes (uncertain of cut though) in Spain before they were even grown in France.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by glandium on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:57PM (#34306921)

Also, the name comes from the French cut (aka Julienne), not the fact the fries are French. The pedantic name would be Frenched Fries.

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by adolph on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:40PM (#34306821)

Turkey:

The Turkish word for a turkey is hindi, which literally means “Indian.” The original word in French, coq d’Inde, meant “rooster of India,” and has since shortened to dinde. These names likely derive from the common misconception that India and the New World were one and the same. In Portuguese, it’s literally a “Peru bird,” and in Malay, it’s called a “Dutch chicken.”

https://www.dictionary.com/e/turkey/

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Re:The California roll was invented by a Canadian chef (2020) by contingencies on Monday January 09, 2023 @11:37AM (#34312285)

In fact recent genetic research shows that the "chicken" derives from jungle fowl with genetic diversity centered on the eastern Indian / Myanmar region. So the Turkish name is in fact accurate, with respect to the probable origin of the bird (in a Turkish domesticated context). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31806553

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