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Don’t count where? If a person looks like they are from a warmer region and speaks Portuguese - unless they object - they will be classified as a PoC by most people in the US. Maybe the government disagrees but that is relevant only in very few specific situations.

Also, if their parents moved to Brazil in the 1960s they somehow became a PoC? Does the actual ancestry matter or are we just assuming that everyone who is not from Europe is a PoC?

There is way more to race classification than the government classification. Talking to people, selecting the right choice in a questionnaire, applying for a job - no one is verifying person’s ancestry. If you are from Brazil you are a PoC by default, unless you object.

I disagree. This is just a different relationship with work - not better and not worse. Being focused on career advancements doesn’t make them (sorry for generalizing again) worse engineers or worse colleagues. Eg I don’t care about my IC level and enjoy coding, someone else cares more about their IC level and enjoys coding. Why should I care?

I know I am not in a position to complain (I am a “white” European) but I would be furious if I was so often grouped into a completely arbitrary race/ethnicity/skin color/country of birth based group and made assumptions about.

I have never met a single European who would differentiate between a Portuguese and a German based on their skin color. But if that Portuguese person moves to the US they are suddenly a PoC and a victim of white oppression.

How is it describing it though? What does a white-looking immigrant Brazilian of European ancestry have in common with a Native American? How does labeling both as PoC address any inequality?

It’s ok to question any hiring discrimination and share personal observations about group behavior.

However I agree with you that some of the comments are close to being derogatory.

In my experience (as I have shared below) many Indians are more career oriented than, say, Europeans. No criticism here, I personally don’t care and love my Indian colleagues.

There is no group culture fit at tech companies. It’s always a company culture fit, ie “groupless” in theory.

In my experience many Indians are very career oriented (mean that with no criticism). Ie they focus on promotions, career advancements, power consolidation, and not as much on work as the end goal in itself. Again, not criticizing, just an observation. In some cases I wish I was more career oriented too.

Never noticed that in tech. I guess flattery is not very common in this industry in general.

Ok. Jews are hiring only Jews… that’s still problematic, right? You don’t have to be racist or antisemitic to see this as an unhealthy hiring practice.

Agreed. The dream is for everyone to have a medal and cake. Even for disadvantaged while people in the US, who are not “colonizers” or some lucky “white privilege” beneficiaries.

It sounds more and more like in the US (and, perhaps, in Canada too) people are being divided into essentially 2 categories: white and non-white. But to complicate things, people with identical ancestry and of identical skin color can be considered white or non-white based on the country of their birth.

Interesting, looks like some sexual orientations fall into the “underrepresented community” definition. I wonder how the gauge this type of diversity. Would it be “sufficient” if half of the board are bisexual white men?

Why are you conflating interpersonal racism with systemic? Both exist. If a white person is racist towards a black person do you call that racial bias? If you do, you are just replacing the established definition of racism, not addressing the phenomenon itself.

Racism by default means interpersonal racism. That’s why when we talk about systemic racism we add this qualifier.

There might not be systemic anti-white racism in the US but there is certainly interpersonal racism against whites in the US. Insisting on dismissing that is not helpful to literally anyone: whites or people of color.

Out of interest, are you still considered a person of color in the US?

Technically there are more options, I agree. Practically very often these options are divided into whites (includes Asians) and people of color (includes Latinos but blacks have priority).

Huh I didn’t know that! So does it mean that websites internationalize even the salutations? Do they replace “Hi Joe” with “Good day Mr. Brown” in Germany?

My understanding is that asking the sexual orientation question is illegal at least in some states. Personally never been asked that by any employer in CA.

If they know your race they can limit the amount of racism allocated to you by the company /s

Most of the time in the US race means skin color. Which is somewhat ironic for a society so attached to Martin Luther King’s Jr. values.

Seems like you are equating open source to free. No reason to do that - you can have a monetized open source product.

So what age were the French talking about?

It’s absolutely hilarious that you justify 13 year olds being able to give consent today while posturing about some French petitions from 50 years ago (that did not result in any laws even remotely allowing pedophilia). What a grand delusion!

Regarding your country. Yes, it’s an assumption on my part since you are talking about the right and the left and the culture war. Unless you are from the UK and meant that as a criticism of the woke left wing Tories who have been in power for a very long time now?

Yes, at that time men under the age of 21 were considered children not being able to give consent specifically to having gay sex. However, men of the same age were not considered children when having straight sex. Do you see a problem with that?

More importantly, are you as furious that _today_ children as young as 13 are able to give consent in many mostly republican states in the US?

Are you OK with 13 y.o. girls being able to give consent in Tennessee? It’s happening today in your own country, led by your own party, not in France 50 years ago.

Amazing! Love heavy CSS experiments

If you take legitimate criticism of your country so personally then maybe watching late night comedy shows is not for you.

This shouldn’t have much to do with the presenter’s country of birth unless this somehow clouds your own judgment.

Oliver has excellent writers and the topics he highlights are almost always worthy. Trevor had his own thing which I personally didn’t find funny or interesting, but not because he was born in SA.

I thought they were from Belgium originally.

Firstly, you are twisting my words. I have never said that genital mutilation is culture war, only that you are obsessed with it.

Secondly, you have demonstrated your inability to have an honest discussion without trying to “mutilate” your opponent’s view. For this reason I will not spend time translating the French sources just to prove you wrong. You did it yourself already by linking to that WikiPedia article while mis-representing its content.

Why are you posting this drivel? The links show a much more nuanced discussion than what you are trying to imply.

The French demanded to end the discrimination against gay men as by law gay sex was prohibited until the age of 21, but the age of consent for straight sex was 18. Nothing to do with pedophilia. Oh and that happened in 1977 - almost 50 years ago.

You are obsessed with the left vs the right culture war. It’s not healthy.

I am including SF proper neighborhoods in that. If you live in Twin Peaks it’s much easier to be “progressive” and ignore homelessness.