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Re:10x Editor by Gys on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:54AM (#34233032)
You do not want updates that solve bugs? Some support in case you have questions or problems? Maybe also some new features (usually the word changes and also your experience and expectations)?
Re:10x Editor by yeputons on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:11AM (#34233298)
I want these much less than I want the ability to run the software without the danger of a developer disabling access on a whim. Happened too many times already, including to me personally. A standard example: games.
Re:10x Editor by zbrozek on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:55AM (#34233054)
I want low-bug-density software I buy once and don't receive updates for until I pay again.
Re:10x Editor by wnkrshm on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:34AM (#34233690)
We should pay for features not for fixes
Re:10x Editor by aix1 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#34233469)
Exactly this, thank you for articulating it so well.
Re:10x Editor by someguydave on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:22PM (#34234479)
Unfortunately very few are willing to pay a high price up front for quality software.
Re:10x Editor by heavenlyblue on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:10AM (#34233288)
I don't want to finance their project managers shipping new "social" features and useless functionality that I am not paying them for.
Re:10x Editor by nurettin on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:17AM (#34233403)
Bugs should be solved because the author made mistakes in software that they sold, and are in the process of actively selling. Not because I have a subscription.

Features should be added as addons that I may or may not purchase.

Support should be optional.

Re:10x Editor by TheArcane on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @01:26AM (#34242697)
Exactly, just like a game on Steam or PS5
Re:10x Editor by ltbarcly3 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:58AM (#34233093)
Somehow software vendors were able to accomplish 2 things during the last 4 decades:

1. Ship software, including free updates for the current version to fix bugs, without any fees beyond the purchase price.

2. Become the richest companies in the world, by far, to the point it's not even close.

So the idea that they need subscriptions so they can 'afford' to fix bugs is ridiculous. Also, paying the subscription isn't a warranty, maybe they collect my money and don't fix my bugs.

Re:10x Editor by bogwog on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#34233314)
They didn't become the richest companies in the world by selling software without a subscription, they did it by illegally suppressing competition without any repercussions (among other things)
Re:10x Editor by someguydave on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:38PM (#34234770)
Agreed, when I think of "rich software companies" they all either had monopolies or were able to monopolize a significant network or "mindshare".
Re:10x Editor by zozbot234 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:54AM (#34234023)
The free updates don't last indefinitely, generally you still have to pay for "extended" support.
Re:10x Editor by rightbyte on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:23PM (#34236629)
If you have happily used some software for say 6 years, it is no problem if the vendor stops fixing bugs in it. It already works.

SaaS and subscriptions is mainly a way to control the users and milk them for money.

Re:10x Editor by berkle4455 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:56AM (#34233073)
If I paid for a fully working product, fixes should be included, similar to how vehicle oems issue recalls and provide a warranty/guarantee.
Re:10x Editor by have_faith on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:06AM (#34233228)
Am I right that the Sketch app used to work like this? just looked at their website and only see a subscription offered.
Re:10x Editor by junon on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:11AM (#34233301)
It's because nobody complained when software moved toward subscription models.
Re:10x Editor by GuB-42 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:46AM (#34233893)
Yes, and don't mind paying for these.

But I also want the software I buy to keep working as well as they did the day I bought them. I don't expect the developer to fix all bugs forever without any additional payment, even less add features, but I'd rather not have a kill switch, which for a text editor is what subscriptions are.

Many software vendors (ex: Jetbrains) offer renewable permanent licences that pays for maintenance without the kill switch. Sublime Text, which is possibly 10x most direct competitor now has a permanent license with 3 years of updates, which can be considered a subscription (you have to pay every 3 years for updates), but if you stop, your software won't break.