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Re:Why Not Mars by ClumsyPilot on Sunday January 01, 2023 @11:53PM (#34214515)
If you break you neck in LEO you could be in a real hospital in a few hours. From the moon it's a couple days, comparable to like an arctic base dueing a storm.

From Mars your family will only get ashes because your body will have been deconposing for months.

There is steel, aluminium and oxygen on the moon,'it can host heavy indstry and peoduce ships, space stations, equipment. It can host a space elevator today,'made of normal kevlar. You could build an aircraft carrier and lift it into orbit.

Re:Why Not Mars by drevil-v2 on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:52AM (#34214823)
> You could build an aircraft carrier and lift it into orbit

No you can’t. You still need to spend the same amount of energy per ton to escape earth’s gravity. An elevator does not magically violate laws of physics

Edit: As pointed out below I probably misunderstood the comment I was replying too. My bad

Re:Why Not Mars by c22 on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:14AM (#34214918)
The comment you're responding to is suggesting a space elevator on the moon, so you only need enough energy to escape the moon's gravity.
Re:Why Not Mars by moloch-hai on Monday January 02, 2023 @09:01AM (#34217885)
I know somebody who broke his neck in Antarctica and was airlifted out. He's fine now.
Re:Why Not Mars by frontman1988 on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:17AM (#34218771)
how does one manage to break their neck in Antarctica?
Re:Why Not Mars by moloch-hai on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:16AM (#34219572)
All it took was not watching where he was walking. There are hazards outside. Concrete, railings, and painted lines are scarce.
Re:Why Not Mars by bratbag on Monday January 02, 2023 @09:24AM (#34218151)
So no different than if you broke your neck during the age of discovery on earth?

We shouldn't be judging these things by the standards of generally risk averse people on this discussion board. It won't be people like us going.

Re:Why Not Mars by gibspaulding on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:02AM (#34218583)
The difference today is that the astronaut with the broken neck would be front page news for every minute of the hours/days/weeks it took to get them home, and far longer if they die. Bad press is bad for funding, especially in a democratic country.
Re:Why Not Mars by kwhitefoot on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:58PM (#34221171)
> the astronaut with the broken neck would be front page news for every minute of the hours/days/weeks

Only while the thing is rare.

Re:Why Not Mars by im3w1l on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:25AM (#34228821)
A brave explorer dying the martyr death to advance humanity. Give him a hero's funeral and give generous pensions to his relatives. Suddenly it sounds like a sales pitch. Well, to some.
Re:Why Not Mars by ClumsyPilot on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:00AM (#34219323)
> It won't be people like us going.

Is it gonna be disposable lower-class people?

In age of doscovery shipowners and governments assumed a 50% death rate from scurvy for their sailors on a major voyage.

TThe past is fireign land, executions were a public holiday and children came to watch. We used to gove cocaine to children to stop them crying.

Re:Why Not Mars by mlindner on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:05PM (#34221285)
> Is it gonna be disposable lower-class people?

This meme comes from people who've watched too many bad sci-fi shows and don't have a good grasp of history. The people going to space will be the intersection of those who can afford it and those who want and are capable of going. The first people who traveled the oceans were not the lower class. They were the upper class who could afford to fund or pay for the journey by pooling money or independently pay for it.

The poor you refer to didn't come until much later in the age of discovery.

Re:Why Not Mars by mgkimsal on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:33PM (#34221698)
Who worked on those ships? Honest question. I suspect it was lower class people who didn't have many life options...?
Re:Why Not Mars by mlindner on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:42PM (#34221839)
Re:Why Not Mars by m4rtink on Monday January 02, 2023 @03:19PM (#34223092)
Many inland Antarctic bases are effectively unreachable for months in Winter. Flying a plane to the station in total darkness many thousand of kilometres in -80 C is a good way to end up with more people killed than you are trying to save.