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Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by headsoup on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:41AM (#34204211)
You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this).

Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example). It's notoriously hard and time consuming to put away the big time criminals because they have big time resources and connections.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by nickphx on Sunday January 01, 2023 @02:33AM (#34204407)
They do work like that. My house was raided as part of an investigation. It was about two years after the search that the DOJ indicted me for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement..
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by cvrjk on Sunday January 01, 2023 @02:56AM (#34204530)
Interesting! Would you mind elaborating?
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by 2-718-281-828 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @04:28AM (#34204943)
there's nothing to elaborate. his story is one of millions of examples where regular people are treated harsher by the law than rich and powerful.
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Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by nickphx on Sunday January 01, 2023 @02:52PM (#34210110)
Yes. The FBI and DHS agents arrested and detained me while they searched my house.

I was given an opportunity to be 'interviewed' while being detained. The agents presented a letter from the AUSA basically outlining what they were looking for and explaining how it would be in my best interest to cooperate with the investigation. lol..

There were 9 other people involved, it was pretty big national news at the time.

It was almost two years later that the DOJ indicted me.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by bbbbb5 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @03:40PM (#34210620)
Right, but you were presumably not detained for more than a small amount of hours and not placed in pretrial detention?

The Speedy Trial concerns are completely different depending on if you're in government custody or not.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by feet on Sunday January 01, 2023 @04:09PM (#34210917)
Tell that to the people rotting in Rikers without trial
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by bbbbb5 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @05:18PM (#34211630)
I think that would be precisely zero people? Unless you're confusing New York state with the federal government?
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by feet on Sunday January 01, 2023 @06:27PM (#34212263)
You were not differentiating. You simply said "in government custody"
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by bbbbb5 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @06:55PM (#34212537)
The differentiation was already made much earlier in this thread.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by danaris on Sunday January 01, 2023 @08:22AM (#34206077)
And how many A-list law firms can you call on at a moment's notice? How many banks can you order around?

"Privilege" derives from the words for "private law". The privileged operate under different rules from the rest of us.

That doesn't mean they can't ever be taken down, but it does mean that when they are, it looks different than when law enforcement sets its sights on one of us.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by atdrummond on Sunday January 01, 2023 @05:02AM (#34205106)
Having dealt with “shoot first, ask questions later” asset forfeiture cases, in my own life and some of my friends’, I have to say this is more of an idealistic view post Wars on Drugs and Terror.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by headsoup on Sunday January 01, 2023 @06:41AM (#34205556)
To be clear I'm talking about large scale, mostly white collar crimes, not the things everyday folk get caught up in.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by dingusdew on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:44PM (#34208619)
That's literally the fucking problem. Two legal systems, one for "elite" where they get a fucking slap on the wrist, and one for the "poors" where you get the living shit beat out of you and end up with a hospital bill and a charge for "resisting" arrest when they twisted your arm so hard that you involuntarily resisted the movement.

When it comes to poor people cops will do shit like throw a baton on the ground, put a suspects hand on it, and then claim they had gone for their weapon, beating them and taking them in for arrest right away.

When it comes to the "elite" they make a nice phone call and ask them when it would be convenient to come in for "questioning" because "we couldn't possibly arrest such an upstanding citizen" which is code for "we don't fuck with this guy because he butters our bread."

relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by headsoup on Sunday January 01, 2023 @09:50PM (#34213681)
Indeed, being able to tell a cop you'll have your long list of very expensive lawyers contact them has a habit of slowing them down amazingly quickly.

If only law enforcement faced severe penalties for abusing their power, given they should be held to a higher standard of demonstrating good values and restraint in such roles in society.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by more_corn on Sunday January 01, 2023 @11:36AM (#34207761)
You just aren’t wealthy powerful and or white enough.

I’m not saying it to be rude to you I’m saying as a disgusted criticism of our failure to apply justice equally.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by mikrotikker on Sunday January 01, 2023 @05:52PM (#34211941)
Exactly how white do you have to be?
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by jimmygrapes on Sunday January 01, 2023 @10:23PM (#34213876)
One mustn't consider the Saudi<->Instagram "influencer" (or "brand ambassador") pipeline if you want to keep your sanity.

Source: one who turned a blind eye while facilitating and regrets it greatly

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by headsoup on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:19AM (#34215983)
"Privileged White" of course
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by gadders on Sunday January 01, 2023 @05:14AM (#34205172)
A lot of the time the feds deliberately try and trap you into lying to them, either so they at least get something, or so they can use it as leverage to get you to inform on someone else.