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Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by eternalban on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:46AM (#34203967)
Why are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:56AM (#34204012)
> This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. (“law enforcement” is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)

“spook agencies” don’t make prosecutorial or law enforcement investigation decisions (outside of those within their own investigative jurisdiction where they are also law enforcement agencies, which US ones, other than FBI to the extent you consider that a “spook agency”, aren’t) directly. If they were involved, they would be an example of a powerful actor exerting influence on law enforcement / prosecutorial agencies. Which would be consistent with the possibly I said had some grounds to suspect.

OTOH, there are other actors (including many of the individual reputed clients) that also might have, on their own and through their own connections, significant ability to sway law enforcement decisions if it was important to them, and significant motive to do so if they really were Epstein’s clients. “Spook agencies” make good targets for weakly-evidenced conspiracy theories, because people take suspicious events plus the lack of clear evidence of a particular actor as evidence that clandestine professionals are involved.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by eternalban on Sunday January 01, 2023 @09:51AM (#34206673)
This line of reasoning is measured and sensible (and rest assured, this is appreciated). But there is an implicit assumption in your world view that intelligence agencies themselves are -not- subject to directions of powerful actors in the establishment. “Yale” and all that, but then we’re back to conspiracies, alas.

I am genuinely interested in your views on ‘how’ would we ever obtain “clear evidence” regarding matters that involve intelligence agencies acting well outside of the law. “14,342 JFK assassination records still contain redactions in 2022” according to a cursory search.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 01, 2023 @11:09AM (#34207458)
> But there is an implicit assumption in your world view that intelligence agencies themselves are -not- subject to directions of powerful actors in the establishment.

I’m not sure how that inference is drawn, but that is absolultely not part of my world-view, in general or as it pertains to this case; intelligence agencies could either be a source of influence in pursuit of their legal mission, or vehicles of informal influence for other parties.

> I am genuinely interested in your views on ‘how’ would we ever obtain “clear evidence” regarding matters that involve intelligence agencies acting well outside of the law.

Often, we wouldn’t, short of someone inside who knows where evidence is to be found preserving and revealing it, and even then validating that it is genuine might be difficult.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by nvr219 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:48AM (#34203979)
How's Mossad involved? I'd think MI6 maybe.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by pseudo0 on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:00AM (#34204027)
Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who was a suspected Mossad spy. Per Wikipedia:

> The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[52] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[53]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by thefounder on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:30AM (#34204158)
Ok but how does that make his doughter a super spy?
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by voltaireodactyl on Sunday January 01, 2023 @03:51AM (#34204771)
Espionage, like all significant industries, relies heavily on one’s personal contacts. In the spy game, reputation and trust are much harder to build, given the necessary lack of transparency on all sides.

For this reason, espionage has often been something of a family business — the children meet the contacts of the parent, and thereby essentially inherit the store.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by thefounder on Sunday January 01, 2023 @06:59AM (#34205639)
But can the doughter be a good spy if it's well known her father was a spy and most likely she is a spy as well? I mean her cover is blown.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by morelisp on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @02:50AM (#34228941)
There's probably a good ("good") argument to be made that you shouldn't get your underage prostitutes via a famous spook's daughter, but those are not the contentious parts of the story; they're the facts.

You should instead be thinking: She's purveying wildly illegal services for rich and high-profile people, and her father worked for an intelligence agency. In the unlikely event the IC wasn't involved in the beginning, why would they not approach her post-hoc?

You don't need "cover" to be a good spy. You just need information and contacts. Cover is a tool to get those, because most people aren't as dumb as Bill Gates.

Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by gadders on Sunday January 01, 2023 @05:16AM (#34205180)
Nepo baby.
Re:Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgi... by inthepipe on Sunday January 01, 2023 @12:55AM (#34204007)
Having no knowledge of this conspiracy theory, my guess would be that Ghislaine Maxwell is Israeli and harbored there after Epstein’s arrest.