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Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by MilStdJunkie on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:27PM (#34154715)
If you've seen Margin Call, you know the scene I'm thinking of right now. The "I Built a Bridge" scene.

Beginning in the mid-70s something went horribly, horribly wrong with the way capital handles risk management, resulting in "real stuff" being undervalued by orders of magnitude, since it was by nature riskier. Hence that aforementuioned scene.

Russian-style command economies failed in some part because they lacked mechanisms for borrowing money from the future. The American system is staring failure right in the face because of its inability to quantify what future value implies. I imagine future history books will look at the two systems in parallel, the latest chapter in the ongoing story of telluric states and the thalassocracies that separate them. With all the non-nuclear states huddled underneath in their shuddering quasi-sovereignty.

This is probably the most flame-worthy thing I've ever said on HN, so go nuts.

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by disqard on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:31PM (#34154758)
Tbh, your comment looks like it was authored by an LLM -- what is a "telluric state"?
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by cramjabsyn on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:44PM (#34154871)
Whats an LLM?
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by nielsole on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#34154889)
Large language model (like gpt3 or chatgpt)
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by rjbwork on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:47PM (#34154901)
Large Language Model, I think.
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by nielsole on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#34154880)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellurocracy

I fail to grasp the sentence though. What's a thalassocracy supposed to be in today's world?

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by CSMastermind on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @06:00PM (#34155029)
The United States, with its blue-water navy, is commonly viewed as a Thalassocracy by a certain segment of the historian community. You can really go down the rabbithole but basically some people view the US as, at least in part, having the culture of an island scaled up to the size of a continent.

There's a similar train of thought that sea-based empires defeat land-based empires when the two do battle and some people view the conflict between the USSR and the United States during the cold war through that lense.

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by rjbwork on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#34154888)
Telluric means relating to the earth. Thalassocracy means a state of the ocean. Or a maritime empire.

I take their overall point there to draw a parallel to small states as islands, small spits of sand, connected by the thalassocracies, or oceans, of the US and USSR. In some sense, this is actually reality, especially under the US system of global economic hegemony via free trade (or some approximate, thereof).

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by dylanh on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:51PM (#34154933)
Terrestrial state, a state of (the planet) earth.

Not an LLM but maybe a francophone or a logophile.

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by MilStdJunkie on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:51AM (#34219188)
I'm not an AI, at least, I don't think so. It's been co-opted by Russian weirdos, but the concept of a "land holding civilization" versus a "maritime civilization" is one of those historical metaphors that aids understanding rather than undermining it. In my opinion at least.

The two organizational principles are so fundamentally different, they're almost apples and oranges.

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by kilroy123 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:34PM (#34154790)
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by britneybitch on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:35PM (#34154792)
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by pvg on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:59PM (#34155015)
They were Soviet rather than 'Russian-style' and they very much had ways to 'borrow from the future' - externally they were connected to the global economy and there was an internal system of industrial credit and settlement strictly separated from the cash economy individuals used.
Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by MilStdJunkie on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:49AM (#34219165)
Oh yeah. The invention of the Eurobond was a turning point not just in economics but for the history of the Soviet Union itself. It made the security state the sole gatekeeper, since you couldn't trust a design bureau to approach a London bank.

From what I understand, Gosbank-supervised credit system relied entirely on dynamic metrics from Narkomfin and higher up in the government, which made the pricing of such "debt" completely opaque. Like, deliberately so, unlike our Western variants which are theoretically transparent. I won't editorialize that.

I am not a super-expert, but the story of Rowland Barin and the Eurobond - and its effects on Soviet economics - captivated me after the Western financial system effectively collapsed in 2007-2008.

Re:Tell HN: Thanks and hats off to all the non software engi... by GypsyKing716 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @06:03PM (#34155060)
I hate to say this from an engineering stand-point, but that's because the nature of programable circuits and the systems that are derived from them. Thinking in terms of the plight of Bell Labs and how the demise that made them filthy rich, but also started the end of their company. I think you're wrong on a few levels, but mostly undervaluing the nature of how software on embedded systems are infinitely changeable. It's where hardware like SDR USB devices have yet to really be realized, but they almost future proof your hardware. Why innovate in hardware? You don't have to anymore for decades and still find useful ways to flash remote systems and exponentially make them useful. I have a 1st generation Amazon Echo - the thing is so over-engineered it'll last another decade and services will still work on it.

I value hardware, but I value versatility more.