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Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by aniforprez on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:02AM (#34128303)
Yes. The part where you don't have to pick an instance

> provided it's open for new users

This in itself is a massive point of confusion for most users. I've had all my friends and family ask me about this very point and I didn't know what to say. Especially when Elon fired everyone, literally none of the instances on the Mastodon page were accepting anyone. It's much better now but this alone confuses people into thinking they're locked into their instance. Why would my father, a retired mechanical engineer, join an infosec instance? Or my friends join a French instance when none of us are remotely French?

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by nightpool on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:12AM (#34128381)
Have you tried just sending them an invite link to wherever you are? Ultimately WHAT instance you choose doesn't really matter as long as you trust the admin.
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by mathieuh on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:27AM (#34128517)
I don’t know if I’m weird (well, at least in this specific case), but the very act of picking an instance feels like I’m making a statement in support of that instance. If I say my email is @gmail.com I don’t feel like I’m making a statement because everyone has a gmail email address.

I realise that’s kind of intrinsic to how mastodon works, but asking people to select an instance out of a whole load of them somehow feels like I’m signing up to be part of a cohesive group, which is unappealing to me.

I don’t use any social media because I think they’re unhealthy, but a few people I’ve spoken to have had the same stumbling block with having to pick an instance.

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by notpushkin on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:45AM (#34128644)
Pick a generic or regional one. Don't think it's much of a statement if your account is on something like @mstdn.io (which is closed for registration right now; I don't want to mention any specific servers on HN in order to not overwhelm them but you get the idea).
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by mikeryan on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:18AM (#34128426)
Ultimately WHAT instance you choose doesn't really matter as long as you trust the admin.

Trust the admin? Trust them how? Why? Doesn’t all of Mastodon abide by the same rules?

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by smolder on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:50AM (#34128683)
They control the server that runs the software. So you trust them with every https request, your communication, your password. You trust their javascript.
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by notpushkin on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:04PM (#34128808)
This. But more importantly, you trust their judgement when it comes to moderation and defederation.

While you don't understand these issues, you can either rely on somebody else's advice for that, or join a server at random and see what happens. Unless you've joined the new Gab, you should be okay – if anything goes wrong you can just migrate to another server.

As for the things you've mentioned: you shouldn't assume your communication is private anywhere on Mastodon (there's some encryption proposals, but that's a long road from now), and you definitely should use different passwords for different websites.

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by nomel on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:27PM (#34130310)
You must also trust them to read you DMs:

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/18079

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by dredmorbius on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:28PM (#34129716)
No.

All of Mastodon, or more accurately, the Fediverse, runs on the same communications protocol. By analogy, think of the World Wide Web (HTML), email (SMTP), or the cell-phone network (IMSI, amongst others).

A difference for the Fediverse from the World Wide Web is that Websites largely don't communicate with each other, but rather respond to specific requests from a Web client (e.g., a web browser), in a client-server model. The Fediverse, like email or the cellphone network, consists largely of peer-to-peer (p2p) communications between individuals, mediated by servers.

Specific instances vary tremendously in standards. My home instance (toot.cat) has a specific code of conduct:

<https://mew.toot.cat/mw/Toot.cat/CoC>

There are instances with highly incompatible rules and standards. Many of these are moderated (varying degrees of limiting interactivity, listed here:

<https://toot.cat/about>

Instance administration which is sufficiently unacceptable can result in near-total defederation of that instance, that is, few if any other instances follow it. Two notable cases involve a service operated by a former US political figure, and of a neo-nazi group (I'm not naming them, they're easy enough to find should you choose to do so).

Most mainstream Mastodon instances do follow reasonably compatible codes of conduct, though there can be regional differences. For example, some Japanese instances permit comic content (loli) which is categorically illegal in numerous other jurisdictions, and face limited interactivity on that basis. There are numerous other grounds for limiting interaction beyond that.

Again: this is similar to other p2p communications platforms in which abusive practices tend to give rise to limitations: Do Not Call registries, and under a phenomenal onslaught of robocalls, denying interconnects between telephony systems.

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by nightpool on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:01PM (#34130009)
"All of Mastodon" isn't even a coherent concept. Is it everybody using code derived from Mastodon's original 2016 source code release? That code doesn't even support the current protocol, it was written for GNU Social compatibility using a completely different protocol. Everybody who's updated to the most recent version? Plenty haven't. Anybody who can communicate with a Mastodon server? I wrote a 30 line Node script that could do that last month. Etc, etc, etc.

What group of people are you talking about and what sorts of rules do you expect them to follow?

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by cortesoft on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:18AM (#34128431)
How do you know which admins to trust?
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by Matl on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:08AM (#34128343)
Is email hard because you need to pick up an 'instance'?
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by ummonk on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:30AM (#34128535)
I must have missed the part of internet history where people were constantly banned from their emails by capricious administrators for vague ToS violations.

Like we are rightly concerned about Google suspending accounts without recourse, but the rate at which they do that is still orders of magnitude lower than the personal fiefdoms known as Mastodon instances.

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by smolder on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:55AM (#34128724)
The beauty is it doesn't matter if some mastodon admin is an asshole, you can be that asshole or find someone else who isn't.
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by dredmorbius on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:09PM (#34130737)
I'm not aware that this was a common practice in periods of early email adoption.
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by Matl on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:03AM (#34135985)
> I must have missed the part of internet history where people were constantly banned from their emails by capricious administrators for vague ToS violations.

I have friends on Mastodon for some 5+ years and this isn't really an issue. If it actually keeps happening than either the instances you're picking are run by teenagers, or you're actually engaging in some sort of a behavior that perhaps warrants a ban?

Personally, am running my own instance so this is not a concern but the larger ones with good reputation tend to be mature about this. I'd recommend joining a well established instance but avoid the absolutely huge ones like mastodon.social

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by Scarblac on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:13AM (#34128392)
Well you first got one from your Internet provider, and after that there were a few huge ones (Hotmail and Gmail).

I don't think most people feel they "chose" their email at all.

Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by corv on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:24AM (#34128485)
This is probably how the fediverse will turn out too
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by wpietri on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:27AM (#34128513)
It was! Now we are down to a very small number of default instances for most people. I'm one of the weirdos who doesn't use Gmail (Fastmail ftw), but Google's ad-subsidized email really decimated the competition.
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by notpushkin on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:08AM (#34128345)
Well. Maybe you could help them pick one?
Re:Tech Journalism Doesn’t Know What to Do with Mastodon by dmitryminkovsky on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:45PM (#34129288)
> I've had all my friends and family ask me about this very point and I didn't know what to say.

How about something like: “Mastadon is decentralized, so instead of being one centralized service, it consists of many smaller communities. You can follow anyone in community, because they’re all interconnected. Moderation happens at the community level, by people who run each community. You can join any community that is accepting new members. This is more complicated because you have to pick where you want to join, but then you don’t have to deal with Elon Musk or whoever if you don’t want to.”

I haven’t joined Mastodon, but this is my understanding. Seems not that much more complicated if you’re already interested in not being locked into dealing with centralization. If you’re just looking for an alternative centralized network, then yeah this is probably confusing.