Matl

> Modification is the whole point of open source

Yes, and free software wants to ensure it remains open. BSD's don't.

I get that's how it feels but I've also seen more SO questions closed off that seemed perfectly reasonable/not duplicates except in the most vaguest sense than I can count.

Unless they modify it, the GPL really doesn't impact them. AFAIK FSF considers most BSD/MIT style licences to be compatible. It's the other way around where things gets stuck. Unless they need Linux GPU/WIFI/BT drivers to make things work, of course. Then it's fine.

Because the BSD's are reflexively anti GNU.

They recently made it so you're stuck on 3.6 Flash if you don't pay them enough.

Can please someone explain the concept of a 'classified interpretation' [of law] to me like I'm 5? I know the concept exists, but I don't really understand how it can be in any way justified in any country that's even pretending to be a democracy?

> It’s not any one thing, but dozens of papercuts that can’t be configured away

Exactly how I feel about having to use macOS at work, except some of the 'configurations away' are overpriced plugins/third party tools.

Stadia was pretty good, be it OnLive was similar quality in like 2010. It even had the best version of Cyberpunk 2077 when that launched. But the model was free version of the service for a limited resolution AND you have to buy games there OR a subscription based option and you still have to buy games there.

That made no sense and wasn't a viable business model.

They're probably questioning the resolution would be my guess.

Regulation is only as good as enforcement of it is. And it seems 9-10 figure fines are still in the realm of 'we'll deal with the fallout later'.

So no, it's not literally unregulated, but if it was regulated effectively Samsung would be scared shitless to pull stuff like this. They clearly aren't.

It's not that it's unfathomable. Most just agree with that because that's how you 'make it' in the VC world of today. They also pretend that the right wing is somehow for free speech, of course ignoring everything the right likes to censor, such as criticism of Israel/support for Palestine.

It also doesn't help that it's easy to lump 'the left' with 'everything I don't like re social issues' because the institutional left is basically neoliberals who prefer to talk social politics to avoid talking about economics.

OBS is much more aimed at livestreaming to platforms like Twitch and managing multiple cameras incl one of you, one of your screen etc. Well beyond what Cap is for.

But yes, use the most specialized tool for the task at hand.

> I see on the web now you get round the great firewall just by using a foreign esim

Yes, but that's not circumventing anything. That's an essentially approved method for foreigners specifically because they don't care about keeping foreigners within the GFW.

Once that foreign esim is behind a GFW equivalent of whichever country it is from, what then?

> I think places like China put in a lot of effort

Yes, which is why China was tricky.

Apple is absolutely doing this for apps that they think are worth copying, there's no morals there.

Problem is, OpenAI is maintaining a (slight) edge over DS seemingly only by being extremely inefficient.

I think most haven't put in the effort yet, but it is rather possible to make it extremely inconvenient where even if you get around the blocks, the experience will be extremely slow, random disconnects, non existent upload bandwidth so you could consume but not publish much etc.

They're very good at 'adjusting' revenue, who knows what the actual truth is.

Actually, farmers owning other businesses that use farm produce as input is not super uncommon.

> It won't trickle down to the directors' salaries, so then there's no reason for them to act any differently in future

Not only that but this kind of behaviour is actively seen as necessary by them to maximize profits. Maximizing profits is in turn what shareholders want so everyone involved is going to continue doing this.

I am of course eager to pay needlessly more to support poor Anthropic/OpenAI.

Open weight Chinese models are first and foremost a threat to the US companies producing closed models and because the US government is bought and paid for by the very same corporations, it tries to make the usage of open models within the US icky and this is an attempt to give that some authority.

Of course we in Europe should completely trust fully closed US models, otherwise tariffs/sanctions will ensure.

I find it funny how many of the comments are open weights != open source.

As compared to what? Fully closed U.S. models?

> We don't hold individuals inside big companies criminally liable for actions the company takes, or even that they take on behalf of the company.

So the leadership of Enron, FTX or Theranos were not liable for the actions their company took?

As an employee of a company, you can be held liable for the actions you oversaw in pretty much all Western countries. It has to be proven fraud, insider trading etc. not an ugly PowerPoint of course.

How about leadership of construction companies that were found to be violating safety standards or owners of establishments not following fire safety standards?

> Telling someone to do a bad job isn't criminal

No, but we're talking about telling someone to do a job that you know will likely result in criminal activity or may do so with high probability due to inadequate safeguards.

I suggest you stop quipping and start reading, who knows maybe OpenAI will eventually hire you.

Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

I'd start with fines. But if they continue with this I don't see why it couldn't result in jail time for multiple people. The biggest responsibility is of course with the CEO and C suite. They are ultimately responsible for what the ship does.

Of course then there's the question of why was such a leaky harness and sandbox used, in what way was it tested/not tested, did the model used have the usual 'hacking' safeguards that the public models do and if not, who made the call to use an unconstrained model and a harness with seemingly unlimited permissions and who approved it?

This can all be investigated and we can get to the bottom of who exactly needs to be held accountable in what way, be it I think if you start with fines the harnesses, sandboxes and models would stop doing this magically overnight.

Isn't it curious that none of these rouge agents booked a 5 star hotel for every OpenAI employee for a year on Sam Altman's credit card yet for example?

> So your position is that in the past the government mistreated various individuals thus you also want the government to mistreat openai employees today?

The hackers of the past often did it for curiosity without a profit motive. OpenAI is a for profit multi billion dollar corporation doing this for a profit motive so yes they should face consequences.

These incidents are not unexpected in the way OpenAI frames it either. Isn't it curious my agents are not wrecking havoc around the internet? It's because the harness I am using prevents them doing so and because I don't train and instruct them to do so.

OpenAI is using a set of non-constrained models, (unlike what the public gets) and a set of harnesses with extremely wide permissions running inside extremely leaky sandboxes using models trained on finding and executing exploits. This is not an accident. Certainly not by this point.

Nobody is talking about jailing OpenAI employees at this stage, usually corporations of this sort are fined. If they were fined for these 'misalignment' incidents, suddenly their sandboxes and generally lax approach would improve overnight.

Otherwise they'll continue doing this because they know Cyberdyne Systems didn't have a shortage of investors.

I feel like you can't compare deterministic tools to non-deterministic ones so not a great analogy.

Z.ai does offer access to DS AFAIK, so I guess that's what they mean? Maybe the feeling is that it provides more value that DS's own platform since you also get GLM, not sure.

Plenty of hackers were locked up who did altogether not that much damage too, the reason why people are upset is because it feels like OpenAI is laughing in our faces, basically saying they're above the law, while using this as a marketing campaign to pump up their upcoming IPO.

While great in theory, the flip side is all the slop patches and PRs that both the kernel and open source in general now has to deal with, often with only agents as responders.

It honestly doesn't want to make me open anything for outside contributions anymore.