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Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:59AM (#34126861)
The FBI and CIA were driving the removal or soft-censoring of speech that the US government didn't like. People spent a lot of the last decade saying that this never happened and that Twitter was just a private company operating on their own, instead of being the censorship arm of the government and in many cases staffed by ex-government...

Also, I wouldn't call Twitter's original moderation fair or balanced. There were clearly voices within who thought they were trying to fit policy to decisions they'd already made post-hoc. (Unfortunately if anything it's even worse now.)

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:55AM (#34127237)
> The FBI and CIA were driving the removal or soft-censoring of speech that the US government didn't like.

There’s no right to post CSAM or revenge porn on the internet, so of course the FBI “drives the removal” of that, it is their job.

I’ve done legal compliance for this elsewhere, I have turned down government requests without being persecuted in return, and I know for a fact Twitter’s previous administration was one of the most aggressive at fighting back here and put a great deal of legal effort into it. Example of a more cooperative response would maybe be Amazon Ring.

There’s also no right for foreign intelligence ops to post on US social media so of course the CIA has opinions on that, it’s their job. Etc.

(Current example of this one: a Chinese group is flooding Twitter search for different Chinese city names with ads for sex workers, to block people searching covid news.)

All these things happen under the rule of law, not random emails. If you don’t like it, change the law. I don’t know why you’d want to do that though.

I agree people might’ve said something other than this, but those people are amateurs and are wrong; talk to the EFF if you actually need advice here.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by SpelingBeeChamp on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:39AM (#34127576)
>There’s no right to post CSAM or revenge porn on the internet, so of course the FBI “drives the removal” of that, it is their job.

Why would the FBI be involved with anything related to revenge porn? Posting revenge porn is not a federal crime.

(Tangentially, it appears that there remain two states in which revenge porn is not a crime. Yuck.)

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:59AM (#34127749)
It’s not not their job to be informed about state crimes.

I don’t think it’s a crime to literally leave it up in the same way distributing CSAM is, but it’s evidence someone is committing a crime, which is a TOS violation most places as most sites don’t want to encourage that. And Twitter’s TOS is what Twitter cares about. Whether reports come in as emails or their annoying inefficient report form is not important.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by bboygravity on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:26AM (#34127479)
Or... you could just actually read the Twitter files?

You clearly have no idea what's in them judging from your comment...

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by throwaway82388 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:01AM (#34127767)
There are a few responses people have found useful to misdirect and shut down conversation around this topic. Nothing burger, and the claim that it was about revenge porn, are strong signals that this is one such stock response.

It’s disappointing how the commenting postures surrounding culture war issues curtails curiosity, the spirit of inquiry more generally. A now naive-seeming but widely held assumption about the information revolution was that the instant availability of primary source material would lead to more informed public debate. It’s now apparent to me that knowing how you’re supposed to feel, and what others think, are more important— at the very least more useful— than any naive interest in trying to interpret the messy reality.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:44AM (#34127614)
Why are you bringing up CSAM or revenge porn when the material and accounts referenced by the Twitter Files were ones that post content that was misaligned with the geopolitical goals of various US government organisations?

See: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701436104245248?s=46&... and earlier parts that show that their own influence campaigns had free reign: https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1605294195975114765?s=46&t...

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:49AM (#34127666)
No, Taibbi is just lying. You can look up the deleted posts on archive.org and they’re pictures of Hunter Biden’s penis, which I will not link.

Some of them aren’t; these are mistakes. law enforcement can report posts the same way anyone else can, and if they report the wrong ones you can ignore them. They don’t have special powers. It’s fine.

(Also, Taibbi moved to Russia in the 90s, assaulted underage women, and publicly wrote about it in his publication the Exile. This is also a kind of bias.)

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by fragmede on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:01AM (#34127771)
We can dispute the veracity of dumps without resorting to ad hominem attacks
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:18AM (#34127920)
I think Elon literally hiring a Russian sex criminal to release his news for him is a considerably more notable thing than an ad hominem attack! It’s not like he was the most natural choice. (Not intended as an ad hominem on Elon, who has more than enough problems. Literally I don’t know why he did it.)

He could’ve just had Bari Weiss release everything. (Weiss has, in the meantime, been unfollowed and presumably fired as Elon’s journalist because she tried to mildly criticize him once.)

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:28AM (#34128010)
There are a group of people releasing the Twitter Files. Are we going to name call them all as sex criminals? Were any even found to be guilty by a court or are you simply applying dirty tricks? And how is that relevant to the truth of the content? Are you going to respond to me telling me that at the root of this is Hunter Biden's penis?
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:42AM (#34128134)
No, only Taibbi is. I think there’s a third guy but can’t say I know anything about him.

But this is something in the real world, not a logic puzzle, and unfortunately in the real world you actually do need to consider the context of everything using all available information. I mean, you going “this guy is just coincidentally a sex offender” is not the common man on the street’s response, and most journalists are literally not sex offenders.

I don’t know what Elon is doing. He’s of course extremely compromised by multiple governments, I mean he owns SpaceX and a Chinese Tesla factory, and Saudi Arabia (who’s planted spies at Twitter before) is a major investor now. I also suspect Elon doesn’t know what he’s doing, though.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:45AM (#34128158)
I think you should apply the same criticism and context to your own posts, which literally consist of trying to link information to sex crime in order to attempt to change the conversation.
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by Eisenstein on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:03PM (#34130696)
You have effectively moved the conversation from 'the FBI requesting removal of illegal content' is completely different from'the FBI is acting to enforce censorship of protected speech with twitters willing compliance' to 'is the journalist being an alleged sex criminal relevant'. So lets all stop that line and go back to 'regardless of anyone's past activity raping peoples, you are wrong.' Retort?
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by fragmede on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:58AM (#34128273)
I did some additional research into this Taibbi person, and in addition to being a Russian sex criminal, it turns out he's done some work as a journalist. I think that might have something to do with why Elon chose him to release the news.
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:49AM (#34135645)
I promise in the real world it is perfectly sensible to not trust a person on any topic if that person is a Russian sex criminal. Journalists interpret events and are not beep-boop robots printing out emotionless lists of facts. You can find a different journalist!
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:55AM (#34127718)
The context and text within the emails doesn't match what you just wrote and from what I've seen there were 1000s of deletions -- not only of Hunter Biden's penis as you imply...

It makes zero sense to me that this email (https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1606701482308669440?s=46&...) would have anything to do with Hunter Biden's penis. The Twitter employee is clearly talking about feeling unable to not act on a pro-russian tweet even though they hadn't been able to support any action on it using Twitter's own policies.

The point is, the US government partially infiltrated Twitter, and then applied regular external pressure on it to applying badly defined policies against their targets.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:02AM (#34127781)
Btw, I endorse all US influence operations run on any websites and think all of them are awesome. America #1, after all.

If you want Twitter to be upset about that one, you may have to get them to move to some non-aligned country. Maybe there’s some kind of Yandex Twitter? In the meantime, it’s probably against TOS insofar as it’s a spambot, but state media like VOA seem okay.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by lhnz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:23AM (#34127969)
Well, how soon will it be until non-US aligned social media like TikTok is banned in the US anyway? The popular alternatives that you speak of may end up banned.

Also I don't understand why non-US citizens should be allowed to have their speech rights crushed by the US government. Many of these people live in the US and should be free to speak -- they shouldn't be censored by the US government wearing a glove ("US Tech Organisations") but effectively calling the shots.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:46AM (#34128166)
If TikTok was banned that’d be disappointing. I don’t expect it to be; the plan where Oracle bought it was better. It is a problem that China influences it.

I don’t think the EU is capable of making a popular social media site either unfortunately. They don’t have the culture.

Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up, like their wolf warrior diplomats and Chen Weihua, which is another good sign for what they’re allowing elsewhere. Maybe that’s just because Chen is so incompetent it’s funny to let him post…

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:50AM (#34128197)
> Twitter does have blatant Chinese propaganda up

Isn’t Twitter blocked in China? Do wolf warriors not see any hypocrisy in using it?

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:44AM (#34135626)
Why would they do that? It’s normal for Chinese export and domestic businesses to be completely different too - you can get all the Winnie the Pooh merch you want made there.

Not being hypocritical isn’t even a universal virtue.

Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:31PM (#34140944)
It’s just extolling the virtues and freedoms of China on a platform that is blocked in China doesn’t really make one look sincere.
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:08PM (#34132481)
Source for Taibbi assaulting women? The only thing I can find is a book chapter satirizing misogynistic expat attitudes.
Re:Twitter API hacked, user database being sold online by astrange on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:47AM (#34135637)
https://chicagoreader.com/blogs/twenty-years-ago-in-moscow-m...

Him saying “oh I didn’t mean it” only in 2017 when people asked about during a MeToo wave isn’t, I think, particularly convincing.