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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by akmarinov on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:05PM (#34122071)
2035 US is 2022 Europe, if your garage has power - you have 220v
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nicoburns on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:40PM (#34122393)
Or indeed 1960s Europe for that matter. I believe most US homes have a ~240v supply, even if they don't have any outlets that allow them to use it.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by bluGill on Saturday December 24, 2022 @08:40PM (#34123185)
in the very early days of utility serice some houses got 110 volt only, but most of them got upgraded to 220 in the 1950s.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Schnitz on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:35PM (#34122357)
How many people in the US do really not have 220V in the garage? I bet a lot of homes have either a sub-panel (and thus could add 220V very easily) or a laundry (dryer socket, 220V).
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nickthegreek on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:54PM (#34122481)
I think most of us don’t even have garages.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by zainhoda on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:07PM (#34122583)
My guess is that older homes in the northeast will have an issue not with adding the outlet but upgrading from 100amp to 200amp service. I was quoted $10k for that upgrade. I had to decide between getting an EV and getting a heat pump. Decided on the heat pump, which I’m very happy with — it’s saving me thousands on heating oil.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by mec31 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:30PM (#34129731)
Can confirm. I have an 1898 house in the Northeast. Just upgraded from 100A service to 200A service for $3900. I didn’t own the house at the time, but I believe it went from 40A to 100A in 1985.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by sokoloff on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:20PM (#34122680)
I don’t right now in my detached garage (though I buried conduits during recent landscaping to permit me to pull them later). Right now, I have a 120V, 15A circuit out there that powers everything.

Regardless, my cheap LEAF turned 8 just a bit ago and I’ve driven it in New England year-round without issue, even with only level 1 charging at home. It’s fine for an around-town daily driver (which is what the LEAF is well-matched to).

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by dragonwriter on Saturday December 24, 2022 @08:56PM (#34123285)
> How many people in the US do really not have 220V in the garage?

I only have 220V in an indoor laundry room, not the garage. Adding it would only be a small one-time expense.

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by bdcravens on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:50PM (#34124052)
Probably $500-1000 if you hire an electrician. I did it myself fairly easily (largest cost is the copper wire if it's not a short run; GFCI breaker can also add a little cost if you have to have one - it's code in some states)
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by tatersolid on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:51AM (#34136209)
Many states or municipalities require conduit for >=110V. Some require licensed electricians to perform all work, along with permits and building inspector approvals. Yes, even for pulling a new circuit from an existing panel.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by doubled112 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @09:01PM (#34123323)
I'm in Canada in a house built in 2012. Attached garage - my living room is above it.

The breaker panel is in the garage so it'd be easy to add, but my only 220V devices, the dryer and stove (along with their outlets), are inside the house.

I've never heard of a dryer in the garage before. It isn't heated, and in winter months, it's cold enough that snow doesn't melt. Would that have an effect on drying my clothes?

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by bdcravens on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:47PM (#34124037)
They'd probably still dry, it just may take more energy, depending on your dryer.

Funny enough my internal dryer can cause my clothes to be damp, as the exhaust runs to the attic instead of directly outside, and the moisture can come back into the dryer. (can be overcome by installing an active exhaust fan)

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by fsckboy on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:05AM (#34124806)
you can dry clothing by hanging it on a line outside in winter, the vapor pressure of ice is a positive number. So, yes, your dryer will work in the garage.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by bdcravens on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:44PM (#34124016)
New house built this year. No 220V in the garage (utility room is inside the house - I used to connect my charger there and run it to garage). However, I was able to easily add 220V, even as a first time DIYer.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by chrisdhoover on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:52PM (#34124060)
I dont have 220 in the garage. Of course 220 is coming into the panel but there is no circuit breaker, wiring or outlet. In my experience this is common. 220 is only provided for washers, stoves, and HVAC. Can a 220 outlet be added, certainly, but it is not default.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by jsjohnst on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:44AM (#34124679)
Washing machines very rarely are 240V in the US, they usually are 120V. It’s electric dryers that are 240V.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Schnitz on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:46AM (#34125731)
That's my point though, you can add a 220v socket pretty cheaply given there's a panel.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by fsckboy on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:57AM (#34124763)
the 220 circuit to your dryer and the 220 circuit to your electric stove do not have the capacity to add more items to the wiring (the stove is a much higher capacity circuit btw). Yes, it's true that you wouldn't need to use your car charger while you use your appliances, but that's not how residential building code circuits work. I suppose there must be or at least could be a solution to switch the power over? But you can't just go plugging it in and remain within code.

my brother does a lot of stuff with power tools, and whenever he moves he has to have extra lines brought in by the power company. While houses frequently have 220 coming in, they don't have 3-phase.

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by vardump on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:22AM (#34124548)
I think in Europe other than older buildings, garages have mostly 400V 3 phase. At least in northern parts, probably a lot worse in southern parts.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by hef19898 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:42AM (#34125709)
Land lines are 400 V 3 phase in Germany, as you need those for the elecrric ovens and that is what utilities deliver. Standard plugs and wiring are 240 V. So every garage would at least have 240 V, if there is a plug, and 400 V can be installed.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by chess_buster on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:02AM (#34126159)
To be honest, we had 220V in the Garage since I was born about 40 years ago.