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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Enginerrrd on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:02PM (#34121546)
Yeah, the biggest thing EV proponents seem to miss is that you don't need to force it to be 100% for everyone. Confine any mandates to urban centers where it makes sense, you can get buy in from everyone and solve 95% of the problem. At that point there will be lower hanging fruits than the last 5% or w/e.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by NotYourLawyer on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:13PM (#34121641)
Chargers are a problem for apartments in urban centers though.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Gigachad on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:24PM (#34121747)
It’s not a technical problem, it’s just an effort and cost thing. As soon as people start demanding it, the problem will be solved pretty quick.

I’ve seen new developments advertising electric car chargers already.

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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nicoburns on Saturday December 24, 2022 @09:00PM (#34123317)
People in apartments must be parking their cars somewhere. You just need to put chargers wherever people are already parking their cars.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by fomine3 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:50AM (#34125042)
It can't "just" put for mechanical parking system.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nicoburns on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:25AM (#34127037)
> mechanical parking system

Are those common? I know they exist, but I thought they were unusual. I've certainly never seen an actual one.

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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by fomine3 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:10PM (#34133001)
It's common here in Japan city area, since street parking is not allowed
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Swenrekcah on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:45PM (#34121927)
I fully agree that not everyone needs to get an EV, there will be edge cases where it won’t be feasible.

Luckily for those people they will have millions of older ICE cars to choose from.

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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by kalleboo on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:49AM (#34125038)
Also all the "no more ICE by 2030" mandates I've seen allow plug-in hybrids which solves the biggest complaint people have (range)
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Dylan16807 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @08:07PM (#34122968)
You think it's the proponents that miss that it doesn't need to be 100%? The arguments I see that act like it has to be 100% EVs are basically all anti-EV arguments.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by fwungy on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:57PM (#34124429)
States are mandating no ICE sales by 2035. That is why people are becoming anti-EV. No one would care about EV policy if it wasnt being forced on an insane schedule.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Karrot_Kream on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:54AM (#34125276)
No new car sales, and PHEVs are included which should solve edge cases. That's very different than all cars. Also, most of CA doesn't get cold enough that any of this discussion is relevant.
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by tomjakubowski on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:52AM (#34125516)
PHEVs really seem like the best of both worlds. What's the downside?
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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nottorp on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:42AM (#34125711)
Costs. Complexity. You have a large battery, a gasoline engine with a transmission and 2+ electric engines in a PHEV. And they all need maintenance in the long run.

This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet.

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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Dylan16807 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:57AM (#34128746)
> This will be hopefully mitigated when all PHEVs only run the gas engine as a generator and get rid of the transmission, but I don't think we're there yet.

If it's cheaper then they'll do it.

More generally, you can remove a chunk of the transmission in a hybrid and use a simpler engine even if it's not a generator. The complexity isn't a big deal. And the moderate cost gets offset by significant fuel savings.

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