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Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by rob74 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:59AM (#34078679)
Yeah, that's my theory as well: as long as there was a "socialist block", the capitalist countries felt some kind of obligation to demonstrate that capitalism could also care for the not-so-well-off. After that, it was back to capitalism's essence of the rich (the exploiters, if you want to use socialist jargon) getting richer and the poor (the exploited) getting poorer.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by ndsipa_pomu on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:06AM (#34078727)
Having a strong "socialist block" could easily have the reverse effect whereby political discourse is scared away from socialist ideas as they are considered to be evil communism (c.f. McCarthyism). I would consider that a lot of mainstream media (owned by rich and powerful people) has attempted to keep alive the idea that socialism is the enemy and needs to be fought against.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by hnfong on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:10AM (#34078758)
Yet slightly left-leaning policies wouldn't look as "communist" when there's actually a communist state in existence.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by db48x on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:15AM (#34079188)
This is so dumb. The entire history of “capitalism” is of the rich getting richer and the poor getting richer too.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by marketerinland on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @07:14AM (#34079649)
They’ve been saying that the poor are getting poorer my entire life.

Yet in my country, we’re healthier; longer living; and yes the average person is wealthier than ever before.

It’s physically impossible for the poor to get poorer every year without a complete societal collapse. Yet people keep repeating this line.

Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by bjornsing on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:38AM (#34082926)
It has nothing to do with reality. It’s socialist jargon.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by bladelessninja2 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:45AM (#34083008)
Reading this topic, I'm so glad there are people who can see this, there is some hope in this nonsense I see around.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by HKH2 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:54PM (#34087465)
You're talking about absolute poverty and they're talking about relative poverty.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by objetovoador on Thursday December 22, 2022 @03:19PM (#34098097)
In many culture war debates there's a consistent theme of ignoring and/or discounting absolute figures and monomaniacally focusing on relative figures.
Re:I was a useful idiot for capitalism by marketerinland on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:44AM (#34135629)
‘The poor getting poorer’ refers to absolute poverty.