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Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by dataflow on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:37PM (#34060428)
This keeps coming up and I keep saying that, if the issue is the leading term, they could've just called it the Windows Android Subsystem. (I suspect the real issue is that "for" makes it clearer this is a third-party, but nobody ever mentions that.)
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by ocdtrekkie on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:50PM (#34060527)
I believe Android branding guidelines explicitly only allow the use of it by third parties in the form of "for Android".
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by Someone1234 on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:20PM (#34060744)
Here is a cite confirming that statement[0]

[0] https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/android/docs/distribu...

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by dataflow on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:00PM (#34060618)
Does Linux have the same branding guidelines? Because this started before Android.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by ocdtrekkie on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:11PM (#34060690)
That's actually sort of false! WSL was originally designed for Android, to enable Android apps on Windows Mobile phones. (I have a Lumia which has a test build of this from back in the day.)

I'm unsure when the branding decision was made, but the possibility of again involving Android support was probably considered.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by dataflow on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:33PM (#34060824)
Amazing! Thanks.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by lloeki on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:46PM (#34060917)
I am quite sure this has not much to do with Android, given that this, including the naming scheme, traces back to 1999 with "Windows Services for UNIX".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX

Funnily enough it lacks "subsystem" but its ancestor was in 1993 "Microsoft POSIX subsystem".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by asveikau on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:30PM (#34060806)
They should say "for Android apps". Boom. Makes more sense. I'm sure there are other phrasing tweaks that would also work.

But it's just like Microsoft to blindly settle on a name that doesn't make sense, based on advice from legal, and not probe it a bit more, or play with it to make more sense while still fitting the guidelines of legal advice, and to cite the legal guidance as the reason it has to be mediocre and cannot change. (Source: I once worked for MS.)

Edit: to be clear, I'm also reacting to the "windows subsystem for Linux", which they used the same justification for.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by gpm on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:58PM (#34060601)
Android branding guidelines are very unlikely to matter at this point, given that it's descriptive use (not forbidden by trademark law in the first place) anyways...
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by gibolt on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:25PM (#34060775)
This is Microsoft using Google branding. That isn't a risk worth taking, even if more Android access benefits Google
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by czx4f4bd on Monday December 19, 2022 @10:27PM (#34061184)
I don't think that's what descriptive fair use means.

> Descriptive Fair Use: Found at 15 U.S.C. § 1115(b)(4), the descriptive fair use defense protects your ability to use ordinary words to describe your own goods or services, even if those words happen to be part of someone's trademark.

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/using-trademarks-others

Since the Windows Subsystem for Android actually runs Android, "Windows Subsystem for Android" is a product name and not just a description, and "Android" isn't a generic descriptive term in this context, it seems to me that Microsoft is using Google's Android trademark in a way that isn't protected as fair use.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by gpm on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @01:16AM (#34062242)
Right, I should have said "nominative" rather than "descriptive", at least as far as US law is concerned. It's directly below "descriptive" in your link.

Really I wasn't trying to name the exact defence but gesture at the principal that trade marks prevent competitors from using names that might confuse customers, but they don't prevent competitors (or anyone else) from talking about the product. It was just a coincidence that I used a word that happened to also be the name of a specific kind of fair use.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by fragmede on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:40PM (#34060881)
Someone must have considered "Windows Can Now Run Android/Linux/Mac" and was rejected for being wordy or something.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by jacoblambda on Monday December 19, 2022 @10:01PM (#34061008)
Windows Can Run <> or WCRX would actually be a killer name.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by dcow on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:06AM (#34062600)
Indeed.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by weird-eye-issue on Monday December 19, 2022 @10:27PM (#34061182)
That is very terse and puts "Windows Android" directly next to each other which isn't that clear and could be trademark infringement
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by naikrovek on Monday December 19, 2022 @10:52PM (#34061326)
it's a subsystem, of Windows, for Android.

Windows Subsystem for Android.

it's not hard.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by jahewson on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:57AM (#34062114)
No that’s a very dubious take.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:53AM (#34062900)
It's a continuation of their Windows Services for Unix naming scheme.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by Dalewyn on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:01AM (#34063852)
This.

Until and through Windows 2000, Windows NT had subsystems for various platforms such as Windows Subsystem for POSIX and Windows Subsystem for OS/2. The Win32 environment is also a Windows Subsystem: Windows Subsystem for Win32.

Most if not all of the subsystems were removed from Windows XP onwards, except for Win32, due to obsolescence but the architecture and scheme came back in Windows 10 with Windows Subsystem for Linux and in Windows 11 with Windows Subsystem for Android.

As an aside, WinRT is a subset of Win32 and is not its own subsystem.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Android now runs Android 13 in ... by obert on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:33AM (#34063652)
“Windows bridge to Android” would have been a better choice