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Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by threatofrain on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:27PM (#34044433)
From official Twitter support:

> We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter.

> Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post.

And from Elon Musk:

> Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by louloulou on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:39PM (#34044675)
lol, nostr? There are like 20 people on that, it's still just an experiment.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by dawnbreez on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:43PM (#34044761)
This is actually how I found out about several of these services. Elon's finding out the hard way that the Streisand Effect continues to work no matter how hard you swing the banhammer.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by anigbrowl on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:06PM (#34045193)
It's gotten a lot busier today
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by irusensei on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:16PM (#34045339)
Jack has been promoting it.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by retrocryptid on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:48PM (#34044868)
freedom. of. speech. absolutist.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by throwaway4aday on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:18PM (#34045386)
This is all rather entertaining to watch from the sidelines. Both "sides" in this power struggle are making hilarious cock-ups and are playing hard to their bases, to the point of absurdity. The sad thing is watching people say things like this as if it's some kind of "checkmate, alt-right!" but anyone with even an eighth of their attention resting outside of a filter bubble can see that A) nobody on the other side gives a shit and B) the side accusing Musk of not adhering to his promise has already squandered so much cache over the past 7 years that this kind of reneging, which is by all measures incredibly tame and expected given both Twitter's business interests and Musks personality, is in no way damning let alone surprising. Neither side has moral authority, you're both just street fighting and are too covered in mud and manure to figure out that you're punching in the wrong directions.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by sph on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:31PM (#34045619)
Which two sides? I'm only seeing Elon Musk vs the world
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by slaw on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:42PM (#34045794)
Elon Musk has or a had large group of followers.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by ProjectArcturis on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:01PM (#34046065)
Yes, and what's the other side?
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by throwaway4aday on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:59PM (#34152334)
How's the water today?
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by neodymiumphish on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:19PM (#34046318)
Exactly. It's so odd to act like this is a good example of a "free speech violation". The speech being prohibited serves no purpose beyond harming Twitter's popularity. If you're still allowed to convey any actual opinion (with clear exceptions, such as desire for harm to be done, illegal speech, etc), than this is a nothingburger to the people willing to support Musk.

Similarly, it's so minor in comparison to previous examples of Twitter's past suspensions for real free speech violations that nobody on the right is going to come to the suspension "victim's" defense.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by sapporo_197 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:51PM (#34044927)
Like SBF, Elon failed to consult lawyers before getting on Twitter and it’s ducking hilarious.

This is probably illegal (anticompetitive) and even if not it will destroy faith in corporate social media and I can’t wait. Good to flush the system so the flood of LLM bits doesn’t do too much damage.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by hinkley on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:37PM (#34045704)
Given his current behavior, it seems more likely he did consult lawyers, didn't like what they told him, and elected instead to Do It Live.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by slg on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:54PM (#34044985)
Notice that TikTok isn't on the list. Seems like Musk crafted the rules in a way to ensure that one of his favorite Twitter accounts is safe from this rule about posting links to other social media.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by BryantD on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:36PM (#34045695)
YouTube also isn’t included. I think it’s possible that while the policy is foolhardy and vague, he deliberately excluded video sites.

This means he’d have failed to achieved his purpose, since TikTok is certainly a competitor even if the medium is video rather than text, but I also don’t think he understands social media all that well.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by nickthegreek on Sunday December 18, 2022 @10:12PM (#34047930)
Nor is Onlyfans. So many people use linktree though. Does this ban that?
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by meepmorp on Sunday December 18, 2022 @10:54PM (#34048262)
Linktree is specifically banned
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by andirk on Sunday December 18, 2022 @05:56PM (#34045022)
I sure hope not. I'm an adult. I don't watch TikTok until it lands on Instagram or Twitter.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by s5300 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:00PM (#34045101)
It’s a reference to the hate crime inciting account LinbsOfTikTok on Twitter.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by s5300 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @09:27PM (#34047570)
@dang if you manage to find the time in your hectic days of moderation, could you potentially check the ip of this account (with the dead comment to the same comment I’m replying to) & whether or not it’s tied to a fellow active HN user?

I do not think it’s amazingly healthy to tolerate somebody who would go out of their way, using the NATO Phonetic Alphabet, & making a fresh account named “fucku (foxtrotucku[sic])” with the sole purpose of replying to a singular comment (mine)

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by naasking on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:15AM (#34049395)
I don't think you understand the definition of incitement.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by s5300 on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:37AM (#34049499)
Okay. Would you perhaps suggest “instigated” as a better descriptor?

Quite literally, Bostons childrens fucking hospital has been receiving direct bomb threats, death threats against doctors, & other shit directly because of LibsofTikToks extreme stretching of cherry-picked “truths”

If you are trying to say you know better about this than the state government of Massachusetts, & even the feds - please do let me know why you think this way, whether or not you think your viewpoint is best for a civil society, & whatever other reasons you believe I’m not able to accurately apply the meanings of “incite” or “instigate”

This is a very strange hill to have an opinion on other than “this is very bad and dangerous” when a childrens hospital affiliated with one of academias (Harvard/Cambridge universities) premier teaching hospitals (Mass General as a whole - which the childrens hospital is affiliated with.) is receiving bomb threats & direct threats of lethal harm to several employed doctors, as well as their support staff.

I’ve come to the pretty reasonable conclusion that there’s no good faith discussion to be involved when one side is “anything that leads to threats of domestic terrosism against a childrens hospital is a bad thing” & the other is “buh, buuh - have u considered that death threats against childrens hospitals might actually be the way of righteousness? This sociopath has thoughts they think you’ve yet to consider!”

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by naasking on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:17AM (#34052276)
> I’ve come to the pretty reasonable conclusion that there’s no good faith discussion to be had when one side is “anything that leads to threats of domestic terrosism against a childrens hospital is a bad thing” & the other is “buh, buuh - have u considered that death threats against childrens hospitals might actually be the way of righteousness? This sociopath has thoughts they think you’ve yet to consider!”

I fully support directing resources to tracking down and prosecuting people issuing threats. That would be a good use of police resources as opposed to some of the bullshit they spend their time on now. The people issuing threats were motivated to act by their ethics that were triggered by stories told by LibsOfTikTok, but also because they think they can get away with it, and that's the lever that we can move without compromise. Instead of trying to constrain speech, ensure people can have charged conversations on important social issues without the threat of violence.

That said, I also reject your inference that LibsOfTikTok necessarily bears direct responsibility for the people who issue violent threats. "Incitement" are exactly the cases where speech does convey responsibility, and I'm not sure they've crossed that line.

To say LibsOfTikTok is responsible would also imply that CNN and MSNBC's coverage was responsible for Hodgkinson's attempt to murder a bunch of Republicans. If you want to make that argument too then at least you're being consistent, but it's totally reasonable to disagree.

Given how you've framed this, you'll probably argue that LibsOfTikTok is not practicing "journalism", but there is no rigourous, formal definition of journalism that would distinguish what the media does from what LibsOfTikTok does. Media is factually wrong all of the time and its coverage clearly biased as well. We can agree that LibsOfTikTok is probably wrong "more" of the time and "more" biased, but moving the line of incitement, libel and defamation to encompass more speech is slippery and dangerous.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by astrange on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:58PM (#34046032)
He has too many business interests in China to risk annoying their government.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by ckastner on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:17PM (#34045355)
> However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter.

So much for free speech.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by troupe on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:18PM (#34045367)
Musk seems to be indicating that banning it was a mistake:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604616426114932737

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by actionfromafar on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:31PM (#34045600)
"I am sorry, I didn't know so many of you liked Paul Graham. I can reinstate him. Please like me."
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by bb88 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @08:39PM (#34047131)
It's not so much whether or not someone like Paul Graham or not. I don't follow him. I don't know him. I'm sure he's a fine person.

But if you really, truly believe in free speech and having a platform for sharing interesting ideas, then you want someone like Mr. Graham on the platform.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by Herbstluft on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:42PM (#34045788)
Clown shoes behaviour.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by dnm on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:31PM (#34045598)
Looks like it’s back up, but they dumped his followers.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by richbell on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:44PM (#34045818)
They'll slowly rehydrate and return to what they were pre-suspension. The same thing happened with Donald Trump's account after it was unsuspended.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by wpietri on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:58PM (#34046729)
This is correct. Right now I see it back to 1,027,886 followers. The Wayback Machine shows him at 1.5 million yesterday.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by bscphil on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:09PM (#34046185)
Elon has been so hands-on and vindictive that it's hard to rule out him personally deciding to ban pg and then going back on it, but that's not the only possibility. If you looked at the replies to pg's initial "I'm leaving" post, there were hundreds or thousands of Elon's reply guys mocking him or deriding the decision. Twitter has become much more of a toxic hellhole than it was before.

What I've noticed is that accounts tend to receive bans when a large number of users report them simultaneously (whether they are actually rule breaking has relatively little impact). It strikes me as possible that a bunch of Elon's fans reported the "I have a Mastodon account" post, and some moderator pulled the plug on the account on the assumption that that's what Elon would want.

To be clear, I'm not saying any of this would exonerate Elon. He put this stupid policy in place to begin with. If anything, the sheer scale of the pro-Elon toxicity I've seen in every Twitter link I've clicked today is a symptom of a much bigger problem that is slowly building on the platform.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by KennyBlanken on Sunday December 18, 2022 @08:59PM (#34047325)
I think what's highly likely is that the "hundreds or thousands of Elon's guys" (or 4chan trolls) reported the account/tweet.

Most platforms use some sort of automatic algorithm coupled with an army of people in "third world" countries doing actual first-level reviews and a smaller group people at HQ supervising/monitoring/working on the algorithms.

Well, except...he fired all those people. So now it's probably just "autoban and if there's enough noise, someone comes back and unbans."

When the elon jet reddit user got banned, it was probably the same thing - trolls/bots/muskies mass-reporting after a post hit the front page.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by FrasiertheLion on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:00AM (#34049638)
4chan doesn't like Elon LOL
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by thepasswordis on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:46PM (#34045857)
LOTT doesn’t usually link to TT. They reupload the videos to twitter.
Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by RavingGoat on Sunday December 18, 2022 @09:22PM (#34047537)
People should be filling out takedown notices.