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Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by sys_64738 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:30PM (#34040864)
France were poor up until the 75th min then showed up. Argentina thought it was in the bag at 2-0 but then France did what France do. Messi was a passenger from the 2nd half on and was out of steam in ET. France blew it late in ET with two golden chances. Winning on penalties is a crap shoot so down to luck. Mbappe was really the star of this WC Final dragging France back from the brink and nearly getting them over the line. Messi didn't have a great game from HT.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by wslh on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:39PM (#34041041)
It was not luck, it was Dibu [1] at the end. He is not lucky, he is an ace.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Mart%C3%ADnez

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by sys_64738 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:50PM (#34041220)
Penalties are always pot luck. Also, Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by dj_mc_merlin on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:01PM (#34041419)
Partly luck sure, but Emi's gotten into his opponents heads quite well, if you've seen his other penalty shootouts (.. so many this WC). The little "shoot the ball away" tactic did cause the unforced error from.. one of the French players, cba to look it up.

> Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo.

Yeah absolutely, he's taking the record for sure. He carried the team on his back. Messi's been doing that for longer though.

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by rcarr on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:36PM (#34040972)
> "Messi was a passenger from the 2nd half on and was out of steam in ET"

He scored a bloody goal in ET!

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by phreack on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:15PM (#34042577)
I am convinced everyone is watching a different game in every country at this point.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by gus_massa on Sunday December 18, 2022 @08:34PM (#34047073)
The problem with Messi is that he looks like the is watching the grass grow, or a butterfly or something. And then he makes a goal, sometimes a great goal.

Other players have a more fighting image, and they run here and there, and scream, and look more connected to the game.

The choice a nice fighting image or almost a goal per game.

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by switch007 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:10PM (#34041550)
If scoring a goal is “out of steam”, what is full of steam for you? Hah
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by frontman1988 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#34041950)
That goal was from a rebound, not as impressive as Mbappe's second goal which also happened because Messi lost possession rather lazily. And seriously Messi was literally walking even when the Argentinians were attacking. It really felt Messi was out of steam. He lost possession a lot, couldn't convert atleast two opportunities even though he got into the D and shot at the center of the goal right where the keeper was standing in the final minutes in extra time. Messi is a legend, but today Mbappe outshone him.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by niffydroid on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:13PM (#34041606)
As an England fan, I didn't think they were that good against us, England were the better side who just couldn't convert. The ref helped them a lot, their first goal came after they fouled an England player and they didn't even get the ball when doing so. Overall they don't actually look world cup winners playing us.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by pritambaral on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:35PM (#34041920)
Neither did Argentina against Saudi Arabia.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by lairv on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:50PM (#34043169)
At least France has players able to score 2 penalties
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by Def_Os on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:45PM (#34058196)
Sick burn. Agreed with op though
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by SSJPython on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:27PM (#34041797)
Mbappe is like a combination of Ronaldo Nazario and Thierry Henry. He needs to stay injury-free, however. And at some point he will need to adapt his game to account for the eventual loss of pace that comes with age.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by dfadsf4 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:50PM (#34042120)
Mbappe is amazing, great, awesome player, hope he keep getting better and play again, this sport is like this, you can get back and win where you've once lost.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by wittycardio on Sunday December 18, 2022 @10:05PM (#34047881)
Most exciting player I've ever seen on a football pitch. Messi is better but for pure entertainment value no one beats mbappe right now
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by frontman1988 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:28PM (#34041810)
France were pathetic up to that point. I remember there were 0 shots on target for like 3/4th of the game. That really shouldn't have happened in a world cup final.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by coffeebeqn on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:48PM (#34043148)
Finally not having Benzema (and Pogba) caught up to them. Giroud was completely useless when they don’t control the game
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by NickC25 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @10:01PM (#34047851)
I thought it was more not having Kante than Pogba or Benzema. Argentina faced little to no pressure in the midfield and the only times France could really muster an attack it came through the wing-backs (namely Hernandez and then Camavinga) or even their centerhalves (Upamecano) were pushing forward and playing line-breaking passes.

France surrendered the midfield from the get-go. That midfield was key to their counter-attacking game in 2018.

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by ESMirro on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:42PM (#34042021)
“Mbappe was really the star of this WC Final”

This is the narrative, but it’s far from reality. Mbappe was invisible for 80 minutes, his refusal to track back and defend in part the reason France were forced to sub off Giroud and move Mbappe into the centre.

He scored two penalties, admittedly that requires nerves of steel but it’s not particularly impressive given they’ve a high xG, and scored an excellent second goal.

Typically players are judged on their quality throughout the entire game, not a moment of quality in an otherwise drab performance, but this seems to be the modern way - the highlights are more important.

To that end Messi was involved in everything, created the second goal with an excellent through ball into space, scored twice, and set up numerous chances that Martinez was unable to finish. A far more impactful performance.

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by dj_mc_merlin on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:55PM (#34042198)
If we're gonna go that route then Emi deserves the hero title just for that save at 120+3'.. not just for how important it was, but how unlikely it was and what followed after.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by ESMirro on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:59PM (#34042270)
It was a vital stop, and he absolutely deserved the golden glove over Lloris for it.

I’m not sure I see how it counters my argument though - had Martinez let everything past him for the first 80 minutes (not that France actually had a shot during that time, but hypothetically) whilst an excellent Argentine attack kept it level, that save alone wouldn’t cement greatness as the rest of his performance was subpar.

This is essentially the crux of my argument regarding Mbappe, he was far too quiet for far too long and didn’t play for the team often enough to deserve such plaudits.

Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by dj_mc_merlin on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:01PM (#34042304)
Yes, you're right :) I'm still just star struck with how well he did the whole tournament, is all.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by ESMirro on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:06PM (#34042388)
I see what you were trying to say now, yes he was excellent and will go down in Argentine history thanks to his heroics in both the Copa and World Cup wins.
Re:Argentina Wins the Football World Cup by coffeebeqn on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:18PM (#34042641)
The second penalty was a hand ball blocking Mbappes excellent looking strike so I’d only take half a point off of that