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Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by urthor on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:44AM (#34025467)
Sound like the solution is incredibly straightforward.

Spin "the other bets" out as a separate company.

Capitalize it separately.

Literally just don't have it as part of the parent company.

The only advantage of having the company inside the "parent" increasingly becomes accounting tricks, such that excess profits can be shuffled to the "other bet" as a trick to conceal profits from shareholders.

Who might want the capital as a dividend.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by blippage on Saturday December 17, 2022 @04:12AM (#34026179)
> Spin "the other bets" out as a separate company.

Aha, glad somebody is seeing the same thing I'm seeing.

The problem with Google is that it is too large, and too successful. Their idea of having experimental projects is a good one, the problem is that Google makes so much money that they don't commit to them. They become too dilettante about them.

The fix is to do spin-offs, say keeping a minority stake at less than 20%. This generates capital for Google, gives them a share of the upside, but they don't have too much influence on the spin-off. So it's Death or Glory for the spin-off. They are forced to make whatever it is they invented work, or face extinction. There is a smaller management team, focussed on success.

This strikes me as a much better proposition than what we see at the moment, with Google just dabbling around pouring money into something they'll eventually get bored with.

You'd think that what with all the big brains at Google, someone would have thought of this. Maybe someone at Goldmans should make a pitch.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by urthor on Saturday December 17, 2022 @04:38AM (#34026336)
The issue is if they did this, what would happen is:

1) An enormous pile of cash would accumulate on Google's balance sheet. 2) The spinoffs would be subject to normal commercial rules about risk, rate of return and such. 3) The spinoffs couldn't be "brand Google." Which is a not-inconsiderable thing.

Clearly though, it's a good call.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by mejutoco on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:06AM (#34026783)
Not being brand Google would have advantages too. For instance, it would not affect Google’s brand when shut down.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by mnky9800n on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:29AM (#34027577)
Couldn't they just be in the Google family? Like there's a startup I work adjacent to called aker BP. BP owns a 30% stake. But aker BP is a separate company that's publicly traded.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by vintermann on Saturday December 17, 2022 @05:10AM (#34026494)
Google has tried this. Wasn't Niantic pretty much exactly what you describe?
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by ido on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:02AM (#34027075)
It's not just tricks, there are also real efficiency gains from not having duplicate efforts (double HR department, double finance, etc).
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by ghaff on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:37AM (#34029317)
Right. Spin off a company and the spin-off now needs all those corporate functions that cause many developers to ask "What do all those people do?" It's not purely duplicative as such things scale with size to a certain degree. And it depends to some degree on how the spin off is structured but there's almost certainly a lot of incremental headcount and other expense.