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Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by bobthepanda on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:38PM (#34024320)
It takes a long time for any company to die, period. WeWork (or I guess now Twitter) style rapid flameouts are very rare.

Most corporate deaths look like Sears. The writing on the wall was there for over two decades.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by master_crab on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:57PM (#34024462)
On the wall for two decades?!

Hell it was there for four decades, double that time. Walmart was running circles around Sears by the 70s.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by lumost on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:27PM (#34024658)
I kinda wonder if there is a type of employee who likes working at dying firms. Every year their job gets easier with fewer demands. Failure becomes kinda expected.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by doktorhladnjak on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:20AM (#34025013)
I’m reminded of someone I met at a party who actually worked for Sears. They’d spent many years at Amazon on the retail side of the business, in the earlier days of Amazon. Sears hired several people with this background in Seattle to turn their business around.

Pretty quickly, they figured out upper management had no interest in their ideas to make Sears into a viable online retailer. Everybody left or started coasting. They all knew the company was doomed but cashed their paychecks. After all, that’s literally what they were being paid to do.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by parasubvert on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:44AM (#34025156)
WeWork is also very much alive.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by aaronbrethorst on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:49AM (#34025198)
Sure, this month
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by TeMPOraL on Saturday December 17, 2022 @04:19AM (#34026229)
So it has been for however many years since the purported "rapid flameout".
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by m0llusk on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:53AM (#34027735)
WeWork is living dead, taking down and feasting on the flesh of the living. Their financials are so bad that there is no possibility of rescue, only the matter of the timing and details of end. Meanwhile the coworking space continues to be critical for an increasing fraction of the workforce. Those companies that actually live in this space by charging members fees that pay for the property and services required have a huge challenge competing with WeWork. It is a textbook case of venture capital doing terrible damage to an entire sector without actually contributing anything. The capital will be burned through and WeWork and other companies will die and then maybe we can start again for real. It is so frustrating.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by hnlmorg on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:31AM (#34025403)
WeWork is still going strong in London. Lots of offices and all of which are full.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by spoonjim on Saturday December 17, 2022 @02:12AM (#34025592)
A full office only tells you about the revenue side of the business. Many businesses are popular with customers but go bankrupt
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by hnlmorg on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:19AM (#34025904)
Yeah, but I’m sure most of those businesses would have done their due diligence on WeWorks financials before moving in.

Changing offices is an expensive exercise so they wouldn’t want to risk renting space from somewhere that is likely to go under in the next year or two.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by mejutoco on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:03AM (#34026771)
The whole point of wework from a customer perspective is that you don’t have to commit to long 10-year leases. So wework leases long-term and the customers short-term. If the customers dry up wework still needs to pay their commitments.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by hnlmorg on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:34AM (#34026933)
Where did I say 10 year leases? I specifically said 1 to 2 years knowing exactly how WeWork operates.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by mejutoco on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:26AM (#34027555)
Nowhere did you say.

My point is the dynamic I mention explains the problems of wework, and is not proved wrong by the argument you put forward, paraphrased, that "businesses have evaluated long-term risk of renting at wework so wework is not at risk"

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by hnlmorg on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:53PM (#34033940)
Your second attempt of paraphrasing my comment is still way off the mark.

It wasn’t a long comment, so maybe you should take it at face value rather than trying to change it to suit your argument.

Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by mejutoco on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:25AM (#34049776)
I paraphrased to try to reach a common ground, not as a kind of trick, but I understand you don't agree with the gist of the argument. We will have to agree to disagree, and that is ok.
Re:John Carmack Leaves Meta by alvah on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:12PM (#34034727)
Twitter? Seemed very much alive an hour ago.