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Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by yewenjie on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:41AM (#33999328)
> "This discovery will revolutionise the study of Sanskrit at a time when interest in the language is on the rise."

Why is the interest rising though?

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by rhaway84773 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:51AM (#33999446)
The easy answer is an Indian government push to promote the language, but that official push hasn’t really had much of an impact.

I suspect the more likely answer is that we are about slightly more than a generation away from India’s fiscal opening in the 1990s which led to a tremendous rise in wealth, and it’s usually children of wealthier people who can afford to pay the opportunity costs of basing a career in the humanities as opposed to STEM or Finance related, so now there are more Indians who would take up the humanities.

And if you are taking up the humanities, it makes sense to research highly under-researched and yet extremely old areas of the culture your family is from, since it’s a wide open area with a lot of opportunities that you may have an edge in, having been raised in or adjacent to the culture.

In the languages space this would mean more research in Sanskrit and potentially other indigenous languages.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by svat on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:39AM (#34000135)
> “I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine.” — John Adams, 1780 (https://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/archive/doc?id=L178005...)

I think your "rise in wealth" answer is correct, but note that it is not just people being able to afford a career in the humanities: it's also people who studied STEM/whatever and now have jobs with a bit of free time to spend on reading, or a bit of wealth to donate to keep their culture alive.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by tgflynn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:22AM (#33999867)
I don't know anything about the situation in India but I can give you a few reasons why I, as a westerner, am fascinated by the language.

First the depth and clarity of thinking by ancient and medieval Indian scholars writing in Sanskrit in relation to key philosophical and existential questions is extraordinary. Personally I am currently inclined to think that the advaita vedanta tradition may have the most accurate understanding of the nature of consciousness I have yet seen. Moreover this tradition is largely based on purely logical arguments, which, while perhaps not 100% convincing to a modern reader, are I think definitely worth exploring.

The above points are perhaps not unrelated to certain features of the Sanskrit language itself, which seems to have a logical structure that is rare or unheard of in other natural languages. The existence of such structure is in large part due to the work of Panini 2500 years ago, as mentioned in the article, but also to later followers who developed a register of Sanskrit that can be compared to modern frameworks for knowledge representation, as discussed in this paper: https://ojs.aaai.org//index.php/aimagazine/article/view/466.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by mistermann on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:58PM (#34003198)
> First the depth and clarity of thinking by ancient and medieval Indian scholars writing in Sanskrit in relation to key philosophical and existential questions is extraordinary. Personally I am currently inclined to think that the advaita vedanta tradition may have the most accurate understanding of the nature of consciousness I have yet seen. Moreover this tradition is largely based on purely logical arguments, which, while perhaps not 100% convincing to a modern reader, are I think definitely worth exploring.

Can you think of any resource that would provide an overview of what you're getting here that doesn't require months of reading? Something to just get one's feet wet, to know what is out there to be learned if one is willing to invest the time?

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by tgflynn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @01:50PM (#34003869)
With respect to advaita vedanta I would recommend the YT videos of Swami Sarvapriyananda. All of his longer talks on advaita say more or less the same thing so recommending a single video is more difficult, but this may be a particularly good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EijmfagFw20. The main figure of classical advaita is Adi Shankara. You can probably find some translated/commented texts of his in book form.

If you mean more generally the whole of classical Indian philosophical thought it is really a vast subject of which I have barely begun to scrape the surface, so there's not a lot I can recommend there. I'm mostly still at the stage of reading related wikipedia articles.

EDIT: One more thing I should add is that there were also heterodox schools which explicitly rejected some or all of the assumptions of Hinduism (such as reincarnation). For example Charvaka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka) was a materialist school.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by mistermann on Friday December 16, 2022 @07:25PM (#34022623)
Thanks for the tips, I will give them a go!
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by sankalp22 on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:48AM (#34012696)
Read a Book by swami vivekananda, you will know what you r yearning for.
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by sidm83 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:33PM (#34010257)
Completely agree with what you say. To get through the inertia during the pandemic, I finally got started with reading Upanishads and ended up reading 6. A lot of content may not make sense, but there were such absolute profound gems of wisdom that I was astonished how someone sitting in a forest thousands of years ago could go into the depths of thought in order to produce such deep insights.

A few years down the line I hope to enter into a guru-shishya (teacher-disciple) regimen to understand more of it, the way it is supposed to be learnt.

For those interested, Aitareya Upanishad by Swami Chinmayanand would be a pretty good book to get started with, it has commentary which most of us should easily understand.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by rep_movsd on Friday December 16, 2022 @05:44AM (#34013009)
I have been stdying the Brhad Yogavaashistam (which my mother has translated to simple English) in the original Sanskrit under her guidance (also helps her proofread). I've got about 60% through since 2020, reading about 10 to 15 verses a day - it isn't a book to read pages at a time even if the Sanskrit is reasonably understandable.

Sanskrit changes the way your brain works as much as Vedanta itself does. The primary purpose of Sanskrit itself is seen as a way for the knowledge of the self to be expressed to the human world.

Its very hard to not accept that this language and the texts were revealed rather than created.

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by svat on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:24AM (#33999893)
A practical reason: The internet makes it possible for those of us interested in Sanskrit to communicate with each other, and feel a part of a community. Two decades ago, if you were interested in Sanskrit you were always conscious that you were in a minority, a niche interest, a fish out of water, whatever. Now you can spend each day watching just videos in Sanskrit on YouTube, say.

(Hypothesis: if this explanation is correct, I would imagine there has similarly been a rise in the Latin-speaking community: more attendance at Living Latin etc. Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Latin gives me the impression this may be true, though I'm not familiar enough to say.)

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by strikelaserclaw on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:52AM (#33999450)
maybe correlates with the rise of Indian Nationalism
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by devnull3 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:10AM (#33999697)
I don't think so. Govt of India has been promoting Sanskrit (without much success) since many decades. There is/was even Sanskrit news. Now-a-days I can see "Weekly Sanskrit Magazine: Vaartavali" from national news Doordarshan [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELmU3GXcuuo

Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by abc_lisper on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:13AM (#33999754)
Yep. National news was broadcast all over the country in Sanskrit language daily on Radio. Weekly on TV I think
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by treis on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:14AM (#34000741)
Modi seems to have given it more attention than before. And it does dovetail with his nationalist bent. It's a lot easier for practical and symbolic reasons to drive nationalism when everyone speaks the same language. A bit like how Israel adopted Hebrew.
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by cuteboy19 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:44PM (#34007477)
There are local radio stations broadcasting Sanskrit news for the past few decades at least
Re:PhD student solves 2,500-year-old Sanskrit problem by FooBarBizBazz on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:40PM (#34008457)
No use getting into nationalist fights. This guy's my brother from another mata.

And if you also want some false cognates for your mom, that'd be another reason to give peas a chance.