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Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:53AM (#33986234)
I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be allowed to exist. It feels like everyone is so upset with Elon, that we all want to play this game of "Gotcha" with every move he makes. Doesn't seem like anyone is considering that account is a real safety/ security issue for him.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by kweingar on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:00PM (#33986340)
I honestly would not have cared about the account being banned, except for the fact that Musk won points for nobly saying he would not ban the account.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by ncr100 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:09PM (#33988472)
The real concern is whether Musk will direct Terrorism to Jack Schwartz's doorstep, like he did with the former exec & the CP accusations.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by encoderer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:55AM (#33986268)
You’re “flabbergasted”?

This is publicly available information.

What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:05PM (#33986409)
Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by cmeacham98 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:59PM (#33987151)
Why do people arguing this point keep repeating the lie that the account tracked Elon "at all time" or similar?

The account only posted the location of Elon's private jet, which I'm pretty confident is not a threat unless an attacker has a surface to air missile ready.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:59PM (#33993448)
Nobody said it tracked him all the time, "but it gave real time updates of where his jet took off and landed. It would be pretty easy for a crazy person to wait outside the airport with a gun and follow him. Why would you need a missile.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by JakeTheAndroid on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:17PM (#33987436)
So because a Twitter is single purpose its bad? If the twitter account followed two peoples private jets would that be enough? Or does it need to be a whole sale repost of the entire flight tracking feed? Can the person parse ANY flight data from this type of a Twitter account? Where do you draw your arbitrary line here?

This entire premise is so very weak to me. Elon is famous and a public figure and it's his own choice that people have as much interest in him as they do. He does everything he can to be in the public eye. There are tons of plane tracking accounts or applications. There is even one that tracks AF1 which carries one of the most powerful and important people in the world.

And this isn't a location tracker. This account doesn't follow Elon around and Tweet where he's headed once he lands, how long he might be staying, where he went for lunch, etc. And Elon can use completely legal methods to reduce how much of this information is publicly available.

> Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical

And just because some actions MIGHT have negative outcomes doesn't mean they are unethical.

Elon has all the tools to avoid being tracked by a random flight tracking service. If he doesn't use those tools then he doesn't care that much about his privacy. He posts images of him sleeping in the Twitter HQ, which has a publicly listed address. We aren't talking about some powerless individual who is having big companies abuse their privacy.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by vibrio on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:52PM (#33987067)
I don't disagree with your point but this aciton puts a dent into his "free speech absolutist" position which he vigorously embraces. Being an Absolutist is probably fun position to take, but in real life nuance can make things challenging.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by encoderer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:53PM (#33987070)
What’s the security risk? Can you describe one credible security concern this poses?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:03PM (#33993494)
I shouldn't have to, it's pretty obvious. But sure, if I were a crazy person hell bent on harming Elon, then that account gives me precise times and locations where I could find him and chase him down with a gun. Or hey, look. Elon landed back in Austin tonight, so I could probably find him at home, or leaving the airport soon. The Austin airport is not that big.

I honestly was unaware, but it has been pointed out to me that Elon even said as much in a tweet from 11/6. He explicitly said it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Sure, in the same tweet he said he would allow the account to continue, but I think that's a perfectly fine thing to change your mind on. I would never wish anyone's safety be put at risk for a dumb Doxxing account in the name of free speech

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by AndreLock on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:13PM (#33987362)
The college student behind the account also tracks the private jets of other prominent individuals, including Bill Gates, Trump, Bezos, and a slew of Russian oligarchs. It should be noted that at the time I'm publishing this comment, other private jet tracking accounts (e.g. @CelebJets) remain active, suggesting that this policy of protecting privacy is being selectively applied.

"Having easy access to his whereabouts at all times" is hyperbole. Only his jet is being tracked, not his physical location at all times.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by zimpenfish on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:53PM (#33989246)
Looks like someone has realised that banning just the one is a bit obvious and now the rest have also gone.

https://nitter.net/RMac18/status/1603113696263172096#m

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:24PM (#33993719)
> ""Having easy access to his whereabouts at all times" is hyperbole. Only his jet is being tracked, not his physical location at all times. "

But knowing when he leaves a city and arrives at another is half the battle. A bad actor who wants to do him harm now know he just landed back in Austin. So if they were planning an attack, they could then try follow him from the airport, find him at home, Twitter HQ et cetera.

And for the record, to me this isn't about Elon. I don't support any of those accounts. I don't care if it's Brad Pitt, Bezos, POTUS, or my next door neighbor, it's Doxxing and it shouldn't be tolerated.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by BlargMcLarg on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:26PM (#33986710)
Give up.

This guy has been actively trying to make enemies to garner a few "hello there fellow kids" points, actively uses every trick in the book to make sure he not only has to pay zilch in taxes, but draws the maximum in benefits, being one of the richest people on the planet and continuously taking credit for things he at best funded, at worst didn't do anything for. Meanwhile he's throwing up a gigantic smokescreen and misleading people in ways that benefit his company while being disastrous for the environment, and has the gall to show his ideas as some kind of divine intellect.

An account functioning as an event hub for public information regarding his jet is about the least he has to worry about once the chickens come home to roost. If the location alone was that bad, he could give a warning and ask the account to only post climate-related info. These are the people shaming you at every corner and ready to push you under the bus the moment something dares to scratch their empire.

Nothing about their existence is ethical. People defending them under the guise of 'ethics' is exactly how they got there.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by TheHypnotist on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:09PM (#33988463)
In a few short key strokes that information is still available.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:14PM (#33993617)
Thanks to the ElonJet twitter account in question, no? It's doxing, plain and simple.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by bobleeswagger on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:05PM (#33986408)
Publicly available information is... publicly available information.

Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing.

Just curious, how long have you been on the internet?

Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by mrb on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:26PM (#33986714)
«tracking everything you do»

It's quite an hyperbole to go from "tracking what city you airplane lands it" to "tracking everything you do"

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by bobleeswagger on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:30PM (#33990038)
You haven't answered the question regardless of the hyperbole. This would bother anyone, rich, poor, doesn't matter.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by oasisbob on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:18PM (#33986603)
A part of your analysis left out is that Elon is a public figure.

Is poparazzi photography doxxing?

Is the White House press corp doxxing?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:10PM (#33993561)
Paparazzi is certainly doxxing. White house press corps, definitely not, not sure how that's comparable. ElonJet? 100% doxxing, and I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:09PM (#33986472)
Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by timeon on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:35PM (#33988924)
I do not find it well put because it is moving the goal-post. Topic is not if the account is ethical or if it is right to ban account like this. Point is about banning it from the position of 'free speech absolutist'. Free speech absolutists wants to ensure freedom of express also for things that could be considered as unethical.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by bobleeswagger on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:32PM (#33990062)
All the kid had to do was make it a little more general, a little less targeted. Nobody is moving goalposts except for folks like you.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by bobleeswagger on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:31PM (#33990056)
You know what really makes it hilarious?

All this kid had to do was do a little more work: Track more celebrities and top dollar folks. Make it general. Maybe they'd converge on him, but at least Elon wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Instead this kid does minimal work, it goes viral, and everyone is crying about it. Pathetic.

I'm loving the selective memories so many folks have here, acting as though they are remotely consistent with application of ethics.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by nickthegreek on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:37PM (#33990151)
Elon LITERALLY TWEETED that what this account was doing was free speech and would not be banned.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:12PM (#33993586)
In the SAME TWEET, he admitted it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Why is that something that's not okay to change your mind on? Are you arguing that his life on a day to day basis should be put in more danger is okay, in the name of some dumb ass doxxing twitter account?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by nickthegreek on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:44PM (#33995308)
This dude changes his mind every day. In what world is that how you should run a $44b company? This isn’t what he said he would do when he bought Twitter. Aren’t you upset that he straying so far from his promises?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by orwin on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:26PM (#33993094)
I wouldn't mind an account tracking my private plane tbh. I would probably never use it anyway.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by hk1337 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:16PM (#33988586)
It may be public information but how easy is it for the common Joe to look up a specific person's flight information?

I'm genuinely curious because if it takes a few steps and knowing a couple of bits of information then maybe that is a problem. I mean, the FAA records or wherever they're getting the information doesn't have it labeled "Elon's Jet", does it?

The Twitter account likely makes it dead simple for any bloke off the street to know where it is.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by mike_d on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:59PM (#33989378)
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by hk1337 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:10PM (#33992155)
How would I know "N628TS" is Elon's jet?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:09PM (#33993547)
Well that doesn't answer the question. Figuring out who owns that particular jet, and or what it's license number is is not obvious. One more step down the line. How would a normal person know who owns "FALCON LANDING LLC". Point is, unless you read the ElonJet account, most normies would have a hard time figuring out all of this. Just because it's public information doesn't mean it's easy to find for normal people. That account is Doxxing, plain and simple. But you guys are welcome to keep defending it I guess.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by encoderer on Friday December 16, 2022 @01:38PM (#34018315)
It’s the downside of being a rich a-hole with a private jet:

The public owns the airspace and if you fly through it you need to register yourself.

Quit carrying water for the billionaires, they don’t need the help.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by acover on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:09PM (#33986474)
What is the actual risk? I suspect he's way more likely to get into a car crash.

The information about his plane's location is already public. Posting it to twitter just makes it spread further. Also, a plane's location isn't very useful. Even doxxing someone's permanent address (not that elon has one) is a pretty minimal threat to their life.

A plane's location is some of the less dangerous speech allowed.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:17PM (#33993644)
It should be obvious, but to a crazy person who is interested in harming Elon, this is a gift wrapped up under the Christmas tree. Great, now they can wait outside the airport, or know that he just flew home to Austin tonight, or landed in SF to go to Twitter HQ. Nobody would know what jet Elon owned if it weren't for that account.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by nerdawson on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:08PM (#33986452)
I'm failing to see the safety threat here.

The account republishes publicly available information. I'd hardly consider that doxxing. Flight data isn't private.

Elon pointed to the existence of the account as demonstrating his attitude towards free speech and as far we all can tell, nothing has changed.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by vlunkr on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:25PM (#33986699)
Seems like you're explaining exactly the intent of this account: Proving that putting free speech above all other values on an internet forum isn't always a good idea, even if it's legal.

No one actually thinks this account is valuable on it's own. This "Gotcha" is a hugely important point that Musk doesn't understand.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by phillipcarter on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:09PM (#33986470)
You're not flabbergasted and you don't believe it's doxxing. You just support your boy Elon.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:14PM (#33987384)
I couldn't care less about Elon, unlike seemingly everyone else here. It's not about him. I would not support that type of account if it were targeting Brad Pitt, POTUS, or even my next door neighbor.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by kareemsabri on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:49PM (#33987015)
I'm not sure you understand what free speech is.

Being able to claim someone's speech makes you "unsafe" is akin to "words are violence" that the pro free speech crowd objects to. Elon may face a greater risk of harm with the world having a way to guess his location (broadly) but that's not a case to silence speech.

It should also be noted he's a billionaire. Have you seen Zuckerberg's security spending?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by wprl on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:07PM (#33986445)
And preventing the triggered and willful spread of disinformation about our elections and public health is not a safety issue??
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by eptcyka on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:56AM (#33986280)
Is someone paying you to outcry the publishing of already public information?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by spoils19 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:28PM (#33987641)
Why do you care so much, if he (supposedly) doesn't?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by 40four on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:20PM (#33993673)
Because it's common sense? I honestly was not aware of that tweet before I posted this today. But you and others have pointed it out to me. Interesting he explicitly states it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Kind of strengthens my point no? Sure he said he would let it continue a month and a half ago, but upon further consideration, and the amount of attention it was getting I don't think it's outrageous at all for him to change his mind.