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Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by mjfl on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:39PM (#33913884)
Wow, I seriously never thought Google would be vulnerable to activist investor actions because it's market cap is too big and its shareholders too idealistic. I'm still not sure that's not the case? Activist investors are sending letters all the time, and it's not a given that they are taken seriously, only if a shareholder vote would approve of their company policy goals. How do you know that TCI has a serious chance of that happening? If not then it's likely that Google's leadership just ignores it.
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by opportune on Thursday December 08, 2022 @06:38PM (#33915396)
They aren’t, TCI can call for whatever they want but they have no power in terms of board voting.
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by bmitc on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:15PM (#33915721)
What is the angle then for them sending such a letter then? I’m just curious who TCI is and what their deal is? Are they just myopic or is this a publicity stunt?
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by 1123581321 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:25PM (#33915814)
Investor desires congeal into a messy influence on the company. An investor pushing on the company helps direct that blob of influence a little bit.

It’s like when you’re annoyed about something local government is doing and you show up with 50 other people also annoyed. Now you’re part of a news story and a stakeholder faction. But you all got there because of your individual desires.

Also, the letter is a public artifact. The investor is also meeting formally and/or informally with Google or individual directors.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by netheril96 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @08:31PM (#33916243)
Publicity stunt.

It’s not like sending a letter cost them anything, but now they are famous.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by UncleMeat on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:14AM (#33921395)
They do actually want people to act on their letter. This is the same as an analyst in an earnings calls saying "hey can you slow HC growth even faster?" They've got an opinion and put it out there.

But there is no evidence that this change is related to their letter (especially since none of the changes made in this case match any of the specific requests in the letter).

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by HDThoreaun on Thursday December 08, 2022 @10:28PM (#33917068)
People read the letter and think they have more power than they do
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:45PM (#33913986)
From the headline and article respectively:

"Google Combines Maps and Waze Teams Amid Pressure to Cut Costs"

"...as the search giant faces pressure to streamline operations and cut costs."

"The activist hedge fund TCI Fund Management called on Alphabet to aggressively cut costs last month, writing in a letter to management that it thought the company’s head count was too high."

Are you suggesting that the WSJ is totally off base by drawing the conclusion that pressure from TCI, via this letter, is not the cause of the restructuring?

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by RC_ITR on Thursday December 08, 2022 @06:21PM (#33915205)
>Are you suggesting that the WSJ is totally off base by drawing the conclusion that pressure from TCI, via this letter, is not the cause of the restructuring?

What a masterclass in logical fallacies.

The implication of the article is that generally investors think Google is too liberal on spending (anecdotally, I will tell you this sentiment is very real).

The WSJ used a specific and public example of someone putting that into writing, but if you think a non-Top 20 shareholder can convince Google to do something (that Google doesn't believe most of its shareholders want), then you really don't understand how corporate governance works.

Even the more aggressive well-known activists rely on the idea that they can convince more than 51% of shareholders to agree with them

Google is doing this because it thinks the majority of shareholders agree with it, otherwise they'd tell TCI to kick rocks (as often happens with activists, Google knows that no-one can actually buy enough shares to influence their management decisions, unlike some SMID caps.)

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:18PM (#33986601)
>Google is doing this because it thinks the majority of shareholders agree with it, otherwise they'd tell TCI to kick rocks (as often happens with activists, Google knows that no-one can actually buy enough shares to influence their management decisions, unlike some SMID caps.)

I'm glad we agree. That's almost precisely the argument I made throughout this entire thread.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by jjulius on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:51PM (#33914079)
>Are you suggesting that the WSJ is totally off base by drawing the conclusion that pressure from TCI, via this letter, is not the cause of the restructuring?

That's a misrepresentation of what the WSJ piece says. All the article is doing there is highlighting that there has been external pressure on Google to cut costs.

The excerpt you highlighted points out TCI's request for reduced headcount, while a few paragraphs earlier, the article says that there is no plan to reduce headcount.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by joshuamorton on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:54PM (#33914130)
> Are you suggesting that the WSJ is totally off base by drawing the conclusion that pressure from TCI, via this letter, is not the cause of the restructuring?

Yes. In fact its off base enough that I don't think they actually make that claim in the article.

TCI holds something like .5% of alphabet market cap, that's less than is held by multiple individual human investors in Google, and likely less than rank-and-file employees hold collectively. It'd be weird to pay any attention to such a group.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:58PM (#33914202)
So then who is the pressure coming from?
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by nwiswell on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:24PM (#33914581)
The parent is suggesting that this is simply a sensible business move and the pressure is irrelevant.
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by compiler-guy on Thursday December 08, 2022 @06:30PM (#33915301)
General economic conditions--many companies thought that the pandemic bump would last forever and planned spending that way. It hasn't, so they adjust spending. It doesn't take an activist investor or outside consultants or anything to look at your numbers and the trendline, and then decide to adjust your business according to what you see.
Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by joshuamorton on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:49PM (#33914872)
Google isn't responding to pressure.

Like perhaps there is a pressure to fire people, but Google isn't firing anyone, so they are pretty clearly ignoring said pressure.

Re:Google combines Maps and Waze teams in restructuring move by opportune on Thursday December 08, 2022 @06:56PM (#33915555)
Yes, I have read so many news articles about Google that are trying to tenuously piece together a narrative where there isn’t one. An investor with 0.5% of outstanding shares and effectively 0 voting power can’t make Google do anything. They can post pdfs and work the PR machine (which hates Google because news media sees Google and Facebook as their main competitors for revenue ie ads), and WSJ can try to link the two, but that doesn’t imply any causality