Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups

Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by chakalakasp on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @09:50PM (#33903513)

My favorite part of android is how security patches go through a multi-tiered trickle-down system of testing to make sure they work with the dozens of custom flavors each manufacturer has so that by the time you get patched it's been in the wild for weeks or months. Oooh, ooh, no that's not my favorite thing, my favorite thing is how each cellular company gets to put their own bloatware on top of the bloatware that each phone manufacturer gets to add to it. Oh wait, maybe it's patch support ending for new phones 3 years after they were released. There is so much to love about how Android turned out it's hard to pick just one thing.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by HJain13 on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @10:14PM (#33903689)

> My favorite part of android is how security patches go through a multi-tiered trickle-down system of testing to make sure they work with the dozens of custom flavors each manufacturer has so that by the time you get patched it's been in the wild for weeks or months.

This is not the reason for security patches taking too long to be released to certain phones; Google has a monthly cadence of releasing security patches and zero-days have rarely (I can't remember a case of that happening but maybe it has happened) missed do you have a source for it?

> Oooh, ooh, no that's not my favorite thing, my favorite thing is how each cellular company gets to put their own bloatware on top of the bloatware that each phone manufacturer gets to add to it.

There are unlocked phones available and honestly this problem is mostly a US problem. Rest of the world isn't in the iron fists of their carriers.

> Oh wait, maybe it's patch support ending for new phones 3 years after they were released.

You can vote with your wallet and choose vendors where this is not the case; Google, Samsung and Recently OnePlus offer 5 years of security updates.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by TheCapeGreek on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:16AM (#33905938)

>There are unlocked phones available and honestly this problem is mostly a US problem. Rest of the world isn't in the iron fists of their carriers.

In the rest of the world phones are unlocked in terms of being able to use different SIM cards, but mostly the bloatware is still there and can only be disabled (not removed)

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by scarface74 on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @11:59PM (#33904367)

> This is not the reason for security patches taking too long to be released to certain phones; Google has a monthly cadence of releasing security patches and zero-days have rarely (I can't remember a case of that happening but maybe it has happened) missed do you have a source for it?

Yet and still Microsoft solved this problem years ago. Why can’t Google? Hell my 2006 Mac Mini got years of Windows 7 updates after installing Windows on it.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by vxNsr on Thursday December 08, 2022 @01:14AM (#33904792)

This is interesting, they’ll try to tell you it’s because the cellular modem requires extra testing by the carriers and manufacturers, but windows can support upgrades that don’t affect an add-in card cell modem… so what gives?

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by oblio on Thursday December 08, 2022 @06:34AM (#33906793)

> they’ll try to tell you it’s because the cellular modem requires extra testing by the carriers and manufacturers

That's crazy, though. It's not like there isn't a module for that cellular modem, and they don't touch that code for every release.

That's like blocking a Firefox update because the Windows driver for the mouse could be impacted.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by scarface74 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:10AM (#33905114)

Yet Apple is able to send updates worldwide without interference from the carriers and without their “testing”

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by michaelmior on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:08AM (#33905884)

I'm sure they do the same testing but because they control all the hardware and there are so few models to test on, it makes things much easier. I don't think there's anything in particular about Apple's process that would scale better to the number of devices supported by Android.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by scarface74 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:18AM (#33905951)

You think Apple tests their phones with all 120 carriers with every point release?

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by michaelmior on Monday December 12, 2022 @12:50PM (#33957726)

I don't, and that's not what I said. My point was that Apple doesn't have to think about testing vendor-specific bloatware every release across a wide range of very different devices.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by HJain13 on Thursday December 08, 2022 @09:51PM (#33916825)

If they don't; its going to be hell when people can't call 112/911

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by scarface74 on Friday December 09, 2022 @12:54AM (#33918027)

Yes because I’m sure an update to Safari and messages will cause the dialer not to work without proper testing…

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by vxNsr on Friday December 09, 2022 @02:29AM (#33918644)

Tbf the pixel phone does have issues making emergency calls, every time they claim to have fixed it we hear another report of an updated phone not being able to connect.

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Re:Apple introduces end-to-end encryption for backups by kilolima on Thursday December 08, 2022 @05:16PM (#33914483)

I like having a back button.

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