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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by indigochill on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:28AM (#33878620)
There may be a relation to military conditioning. I spent just a single week at a military academy introductory program in high school and when I returned home I was "uncontrollably" (if I thought about it I could avoid doing it, but if I was on autopilot it happened by itself) squaring my corners and calling my family "sir" and "ma'am". The thing was, those patterns were my entire life for that week, and they were very deliberately drilled into me. Eventually they faded because they weren't reinforced outside of the academy (if anything, they were "deinforced"), but there may be a connection here.

If someone spends many hours a day watching someone with particular quirks, it doesn't seem surprising (drawing parallels here to my experience) that those quirks may transfer because their brain starts to make those associations through observation. I would expect that stopping watching that particular person would probably let the transferred tics decay over a period of time (I'd give it a month).

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by kuhewa on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:38AM (#33878710)
The article says that one thing differentiating these kids from acutal Tourette symptoms is that instead of symptoms waxing and waning, they only deteriorate. So that definitely squares
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by albert_e on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:53AM (#33878871)
I read about "mirror neurons" where humans watching others do physical activity also have some of the same neural pathways fire.

(V. S. RAMACHANDRAN)

The author/researcher says he believes that is one of the main mechanisms of human learning (babies look at adults and imitate. Adults look at other adults and imitate. Subconsciously)

What you are describing sounds very similar.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by boole1854 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:18PM (#33886435)
When I was raising my first child, I discovered a strange, apparently innate instant which presumably is related to the mirror neurons:

At some point the child gets old enough that you start to feed them 'baby food' on a spoon. The child isn't used to eating off of a spoon so for many weeks the process is messy. The initial challenge is getting them to open their mouth wide enough for the spoon to enter. And telling them 'open your mouth' is not particularly useful since they don't understand English at that age.

Instead, the following instinct kicks in: as you approach their mouth with the spoon, your own mouth opens. They see your mouth open and then open theirs. The crazy part is that your own mouth opening happens involuntarily at the moment you want their mouth to open. It is difficult to suppress it if you try.

I've also noticed the reverse. When the child gets a little older, they at some point want you to open your mouth, because they want to feed you something or they are curious about the inside of your mouth (this is a phase they go through). They seem to also involuntarily open their mouth wide when they want you to open yours.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by adolph on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:34AM (#33879386)
After your first sentence I thought the next would be “uncontrollably dropping two f-bombs for every noun and one for every verb” but the classic hallway “at ease, make way” is good fun too. It was hilarious how it could travel in waves up a hall ahead of the drill like a preceding shadow. My floor was enthusiastically and maliciously conformant and loud about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by hrnnnnnn on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @09:26AM (#33880334)
I love "deinforce" as an antonym to "reinforce". The standard way to say it would maybe be "deemphasised", but it lacks the symmetry of "deinforced".
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by elliottkember on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @01:58PM (#33885222)
In behavioural psychology the antonym is "punish". There are positive/negative axes (whether a stimulus is added or removed) and reinforcement/punishment axes (whether the consequence is desired).

Negative reinforcement is what boot camp uses. If you square your corners, you won't get shouted at. The "negative" aspect relates to the lack of shouting, and the reinforcement relates to the fact that the shouting is unpleasant.

At home, positive punishment would be making fun of the tendencies, and negative punishment would have meant receiving no validation for the behaviour.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by labster on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:01PM (#33886195)
I think GP meant deinforce to be a complimentary antonym, where you gave the gradable antonym.
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by CognitiveLens on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:20PM (#33886461)
@elliottkember is giving the correct complimentary antonym to "reinforce" in behavioral psych - "punishment" reduces the frequency of a behavior, "reinforcement" increases the frequency. There's a spectrum, but the terms only refer to the opposing effects on behavior rates. In the GP's comment, "deinforcement" appears to also mean "actively reducing the frequency of the behavior".
Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by jelliclesfarm on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @02:45PM (#33885938)
Reminds me of how Americans spend a couple of months in the UK and return with an affected British accent.

Before social media, there were movies that molded society. Bollywood and more recently K-dramas/K-pop have influenced an entire generation.

Often these were used for shaping a younger generation as a long term strategy for a desirable adult demographic. To a certain extent, it is happening in our American public school system. Everyone who comes through it are kind of identical. It may not be apparent to those who have never stepped out of the States, but it is obvious to those outside or have known other cultures.

With social media impacts, its effect is like an oil spill. Even if you can contain it, it will be messy, expensive and traumatic for years and years. This is a Faustian bargain we have made.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by filoleg on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:54PM (#33886883)
> Reminds me of how Americans spend a couple of months in the UK and return with an affected British accent.

As someone who moved to the US in his mid-teens (from a non-english-speaking country), that's quite literally me with British movies.

After watching a few over a weekend, Mondays are usually rough, as I end up saying random words in British accent and immediately correcting myself.

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by bawolff on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @05:07PM (#33887805)
I feel that might be overstating things. Otherwise we would all be speaking in a transatlantic accent.