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Re:Google Is Done by jeffbee on Thursday December 01, 2022 @01:58PM (#33820893)
The idea that LLMs will kill Google seems to me completely absurd. Name any other organization as well-positioned to create and exploit LLMs.
Re:Google Is Done by jtode on Thursday December 01, 2022 @02:08PM (#33821066)
All the existing social platforms could also implement ActivityPub and have it working in a week. Name any other organizations that are as well-positioned to make the Fediverse a reality.

They [don't] do it, because they have a business model. Same goes for Google. The problem for google is that apparently this other tool is already available, today, though the website is currently overloaded so I can't reach it.

But if that site starts working for me, later today, why would I ever ask Google anything again?

Re:Google Is Done by jeffbee on Thursday December 01, 2022 @02:15PM (#33821179)
> All the existing social platforms could also implement ActivityPub and have it working in a week. Name any other organizations that are as well-positioned to make the Fediverse a reality.

That's not a good analogy. There are architectural reasons why AP/fediverse will never work, no matter how hard anyone tries. It is not business reasons that prevent, say, Facebook from adopting ActivityPub. They are prevented from adopting it by critical thinking.

Re:Google Is Done by jtode on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:30PM (#33823090)
Back in the 90s, when mcdonalds.com was owned by some yokel who thought to register it before anyone else, I used to say that they couldn't do capitalism on the internet, and look, they pulled it off! We only had to throw every shred of social cohesion out to make it happen, but hey, the attention economy is in full swing!

Rubbish, lad. These platforms manage accounts in their millions within the garden every day, and you're telling me that they can't manage to open up a hole in the API to let someone add and read posts that way, rather than through their sadistic web interfaces? After everything they've already done?

More to the point, ActivityPub is just the current popular prototype, the Bitcoin if you will, of the federated social space. We'll get it sorted just fine.

Re:Google Is Done by singhrac on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:00PM (#33823525)
I'm also largely skeptical of the claim that Google is going to completely drop the ball here, but this is classic Innovator's Dilemma - sometimes a business can't effectively segment their existing customers enough to introduce a higher initial cost but ultimately better technology.

I think a Google Search Premium that cost $50/month would go over pretty poorly with Google's existing customer base (advertisers), but a startup can experiment with the business model with the right early adopters (e.g. Neeva).

Re:Google Is Done by janalsncm on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:36PM (#33826450)
I mean, they’re already using LLMs. Namely, BERT.
Re:Google Is Done by freediver on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:54PM (#33826558)
There is no exact definition but BERT would probably just be a LM, not a "large" LM.
Re:Google Is Done by janalsncm on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:45PM (#33826893)
Is the exact definition important? The point is, they developed a thing and integrated into their core product. BERT allows them to handle conversational queries much better than before.
Re:Google Is Done by freediver on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:50PM (#33826927)
I think it does, because LLMs allow things that LMs like BERT don't - like answering complex question on their own etc which is being discussed in the context of this thread.