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Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by oifjsidjf on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @01:57AM (#33784484)
Completely and absolutely wrong.

Have you ever for example looked at how many vitamins are destroyed 50%+ just be heating food and even minerals become less absorbable.

All the enzymes get killed by heating over merely over 45deg C.

The fats also change during heating.

The proteins change during heating.

Then there is the Maliard reaction which is a reaction of carbohydrates + protein which creates a totaly new byproduct (this is eg why bread browns).

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by arrrg on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:13AM (#33784566)
You mentioned a ton of things that change (which, sure, they do, after all it would be weird if, after processing when things taste differently, nothing would have changed), you did not make the causal link to things changing in a way that is detrimental to health.

Just because it changes doesn’t mean it‘s bad.

Even your only point where one could argue that there is a potential obvious negative health effect (the vitamins) is only an issue if there are actual vitamin deficiencies that matter.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by ivanhoe on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:50AM (#33784767)
> is only an issue if there are actual vitamin deficiencies that matter.

It's an issue because it's wasteful, you're loosing the good stuff in the process. Throwing half of your meal into garbage every time is only an issue if you're still hungry afterwards, but it's not economically and ecologically sane thing to do. This is a similar thing, one should try to maximize the use of food that they pay for.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by ben_w on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:02AM (#33784846)
IIRC, cooking vegetables is generally necessary to make many of the calories available to human digestion.

You waste much more by not cooking them.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by spookie on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:14AM (#33784929)
Cooking meat allows your digestive system to ingest more proteins, for example. This is why fire was such an unprecedented step in our evolution. For example: Raw egg: 3g of protein at most. Cooked egg: 6g of protein.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by chess_buster on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:24AM (#33784995)
Some food a poisonous when eaten raw.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by tptacek on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:06AM (#33784536)
Cooking reduces availability of some nutrients and increases others.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by JoyfulTurkey on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:28AM (#33784645)
Yes and can be beneficial sometimes. For example, in the case of something like kale or spinach cooking reduces goitrogens IIRC.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by ivanhoe on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:45AM (#33784735)
Not just heating, even simple cutting/mincing of the food promotes oxidation that can significantly influence the composition of food.

On the other hand some processing like canning of fresh food can actually help preserve the good stuff compared to whole food that's refrigerated or otherwise stored over longer periods of time. Processing also can increase the bio-availability of many ingredients, which can sometimes be a good thing, or in case of sugars not so good.

Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by tsimionescu on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:59AM (#33784829)
Eating heated food is a staple of human diets for hundreds of thousands of years - ever since fire was invented. I wouldn't worry about that part so much.
Re:Beyond Meat Is Struggling, and the Plant-Based Meat Indus... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:55AM (#33785205)
Unless you're on a paleo diet, heating to cook is considered minimally processed. So that's more evidence that looking for "processing" isn't a good metric.

Processing changes so many things in both good and bad ways that you can't use its presence to determine much of anything.