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Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:48AM (#33762296)
Interesting time to introduce a measure that effectively means needing to buy a new car for taking kids to school, getting groceries, etc. given that the economy is tanking and for all intents and purposes the country is facing a long recession
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by matsemann on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:01AM (#33762380)
Or do without a car..? I'm quite confused about how car centric one's world view must be to not even entertain the idea of not using one for all these daily things?
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:23AM (#33762495)
You overestimate the public transportation. If you live in the middle of nowhere on the outskirts of Epsom, or deep in some residential neighborhood in Surbiton, you’d have to walk 2+ miles just to reach a bus stop, and then a long journey to get to school.
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by matsemann on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:38AM (#33762553)
Then long term people should stop living places like that and assume they still can take a car to the middle of the city for every small thing.

That's kinda the point: disincentives, that will make people think twice about how they choose to live.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @08:07AM (#33762704)
You don’t seem to get it, these aren’t schools in central London. The residential neighborhoods and schools are both in the boonies. But sure, people should all cram into a congested and extremely overpriced housing market that is run by foreign money and immediately change all habits…
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by matsemann on Sunday November 27, 2022 @08:14AM (#33762739)
I didn't say immediately change all habits. I literally wrote long term. Don't straw man me, please.

Over time, changes like these will make people reconsider, and perhaps not move to places without public transit or where schools are far away. Or municipalities will have to change, offer these things or people will abandon them. Either way, it slowly fixes things.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by pastacacioepepe on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:38AM (#33762556)
Then demand Better public transportation. How do you think the Netherlands became the transportation paradise It is today?

Simple, large popular movements demanding it in the 70s. Before that their transportation was as car-centered as it is today in the US.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @08:08AM (#33762708)
Agreed but not feasible overnight , and the time frame for this new tax is much closer to a sudden change than the required infrastructure overhaul.

Adding a new train line cost $2bn over budget and about 5 years longer than planned.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by CalRobert on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:29AM (#33762521)
A good reason to build bike infra.
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by misterpurple45 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:53AM (#33762325)
Behavioural change is a key part of these schemes. Kids walking to school, families getting groceries delivered, or picking up groceries by foot on the walk home from the bus are all viable low-cost options in London.
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by walthamstow on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:16AM (#33762452)
Nobody in London should be driving their kids to school.

I walked a mile to school in outer London in the 90s and it was absolutely fine.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:20AM (#33762474)
This zone would extend as far as Kingston, and some people don’t live near their school or a reliably serviced bus stop
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by walthamstow on Sunday November 27, 2022 @07:22AM (#33762489)
Really?

In Bromley (which is also getting the ULEZ extension) the buses go pretty far into the sticks.

Places like Keston, Downe and Biggin Hill have good TFL bus access while being basically rural villages. Seriously, look up Downe on a map. It's in the middle of nowhere.

Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by sbuk on Sunday November 27, 2022 @09:52AM (#33763296)
Kingston is incredibly well served with schools being walking distance bus stops.
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by rajman187 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @12:17PM (#33764597)
Sure, but not if you don't live in Kingston itself but go to school there.
Re:London's Ultra Low Emission Zone to cover entire city by dabeeeenster on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:55AM (#33762339)
You don't need to buy a new car. The ULEZ standards are pretty relaxed.