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Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Mistletoe on Saturday November 26, 2022 @11:26AM (#33753995)
What are the death rates for bicyclists vs small cars like this? I recently considered a motorcycle and the death rates were too appalling for me to go through with it. Having a metal cage around you and windows is too vital for me.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by layer8 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @11:47AM (#33754210)
The question is how often bikes get into an accident vs. cars, which is difficult to measure relative to the number of comparable trips made. The above statistics probably only tell you that if you get into an accident that happens to get reported, what is your relative survival rate then. And it’s not a surprise that bike riders have a lower survival rate when a car is involved. That doesn’t mean that bike riders in general have a lower life expectancy than car drivers.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by masklinn on Saturday November 26, 2022 @11:56AM (#33754314)
An other question is, what does that become when you actually invest in proper bike and pedestrian infrastructure?
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by cycomanic on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:49PM (#33754864)
There are actually studies (e.g. mentioned here https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/cyclists-live-longer-a...) which show that people who commute by bike live the longest.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by spacedcowboy on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:50PM (#33754882)
It took being hit by a car three times (two minor collisions, the last one hospitalized me) for me to give up on the e-bike idea. Car drivers (at least in the Bay Area) are not ready for bikes going at speed, IMHO, they just don’t look, or at least, they don’t see.

This thing might work out better than the bike because it’s a lot more visible, but I actually doubt there’d be much take-up. As someone else said, a second-hand leaf or similar would probably be better.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by bambax on Saturday November 26, 2022 @11:55AM (#33754304)
I've been driving a motorcycle for over 30 years; I still own one although I never use it anymore. I may die today on my bicycle but one thing is certain: I'm too old to die young.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by missedthecue on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:06PM (#33755041)
Almost 100% of fatal bicycle accidents involve a vehicle. In urban areas where cars are banned or unable to navigate, the cycling death rate is basically zero.

It's sort of like a market failure. It's in everyone's best interest to ride bicycles, but since we can't individually control what everyone else does, it's in our best interest to ride automobiles -- thus continuing the safety issue.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by asdff on Saturday November 26, 2022 @07:08PM (#33758454)
I think with the bike fatality rate especially thats pretty skewed by the fact that no one has any education on how to ride a bike safely on the road at all. At least with motorcycles you need to take a class to prove roadworthiness. Some people riding bikes are also perhaps drunk or high, the same is true for cars of course, but consider how often you see clearly not sober/mentally unwell people riding bikes in big cities these days and how often they might end up in dangerous situations. That being said if you bike safely by taking the lane for example, and you avoid a lot of potential accidents on a bike:

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