Teslas have very little different from other electric cars, when it comes exclusively to hardware. The difference is the software, which, no, you can’t take apart, and given that “FSD will be here any day” for many years now (and also kills people), I’m not convinced there isn’t fuckery happening there either.

That's not true at all. Tesla's have objectively better hardware than any other available EV in terms of performance, efficiency, and range.

That's objectively not true anymore. A lot of cars released in the last 2 years have similar or better stats.

Well go ahead, provide the best car for comparison out of your list of "a lot of cars".

Then we can objectively compare it to the closest Tesla model to it.

That is if that car is even being manufactured at any scale at all...

When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser...

Where is the slander, and where is the car to compare?

I see you went to my profile to find something to say to me, but nothing to expand on your opinion so we can objectively compare better cars as you suggested originally.

And yes that's why I put that quote in my profile, people will go after the person when they don't want to defend their statements, like you did.

Curious if you have much success with being aggressive and condescending in conversations? I wouldn't even bother discussing anything with you but I saw there are enough answers in the parent comment... so you can read and flamebait there :0)

You're still just talking about me and not about a car to compare to a Tesla.

> A lot of cars released in the last 2 years have similar or better stats. reply

Please provide an example of one of the cars you are talking about.

Na... I am good bro. :o) I would have liked to discuss the topic but certainly not with you.

The Consumer Reports 2022 automobile reliability survey ranks Tesla 19th out of 24 auto manufacturers.

Note that what you said does not contradict what the person you replied to said.

Tesla does not have objectively better hardware in terms of performance (Porsche), efficiency (GM), or range (Lucid).

It does have the objectively worst built cars at every price point they sell.

BYD sold more cars in H122 than Tesla. Elon Stan detected.

Zeekr, a Chinese brand goes 621 miles, or 1,000 kilometers, on a single charge. More than the models that now lead the U.S. market in battery range: the Lucid Air, with 520 miles, and the Tesla Model S, with 405 miles.

Tesla (to their credit!) took advantage of an unserved opportunity, including heavy government subsidization, to build electric cars. And they fucking did it.

However, I strongly doubt they will succeed going forward. They are in the midst of a wave of competition from Porsche, Mercedes, GM, Ford, VW, Kia, etc; across all segments of the market. They have failed to deliver on self-driving, and have a 0% chance of success moving forward (as admitted by pulling their lidar sensors out). They still aren't particularly good at fit/finish/quality of their cars.

And finally, Tesla (imo) desperately needs a ceo who thinks about little more than threading the needle on the narrow success path moving forward. Instead, they have someone busy breaking Twitter.

So, is Tesla objectively successful? I'd say no, because I don't think it's clear they will be a live company in 10 years. I think a huge amount of their success came from being the only company that sold a non-shitty electric car, and now that competitive umbrella is gone, they're likely to fail.