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Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by jtode on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @06:45AM (#33717994)
Not if shady is being exposed so that fascist can take its place.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by headsoup on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:03AM (#33718123)
Who's the fascist you speak of? Is it the government that set up the ministry of truth?
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:06AM (#33718158)
Can I have link to the ministry of truth website, Google doesn’t seem to return it. Google search is very bad these days.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mc32 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:33AM (#33718378)
It’s probably the one that said not to use ivermectin and now say that what they said is that they didn’t recommend it meanwhile all news orgs and social media suppressed any mention of ivermectin and when they did it was to confound it with veterinary medicine.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:39AM (#33718439)
Right, so there’s no ministry of truth but choices of some media companies to promote government recommendations that turned out to be best to their knowledge and not absolute truth?
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mc32 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:54AM (#33718576)
No government officials promoted certain narratives which have been proven false and they walk things back and the news doesn’t push back on that.

Moreover the government had embeds and was in communication with social media and traditional coordinating what to disseminate and what to suppress.

The. You have more dignitaries at the WEF and UN COP saying how wonderful it was that Covid prepared people and provided for better government control…

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:56AM (#33718598)
So there's no ministry of truth and the US Govt was wrong on some aspects and some of the news organisations didn't pushed back?
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mc32 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:58AM (#33718609)
Oh ok. Obviously Russia and China are not fascist because they have never said they are fascist. Got it; thanks!
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:03AM (#33718647)
I just don't see how a government body responsible for the public health having an advice for health which is pushed by some of the media counts as ministry of truth.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by notinfuriated on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:27AM (#33718839)
It's already been pointed out to you that when people say "Ministry of Truth", they're referring to the defunct "Disinformation Governance Board" created within the DHS. You chose to ignore that.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:49AM (#33719034)
Obviously that's not what mc32 had in his mind
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by notinfuriated on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:13AM (#33719302)
Interesting you didn't engage with those other replies then. Why is that?
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by mrtksn on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:17AM (#33719372)
When I don't have anything to add, ask or object, I don't engage.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by naasking on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:02AM (#33719952)
> Right, so there’s no ministry of truth but choices of some media companies to promote government recommendations

If you think the government phone-calling people at social media companies flagging specific instances and people for "misinformation" is not a form of intimidation, then you need to familiarize yourself with the legal precedent here.

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by headsoup on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:48AM (#33718513)
The now defunt 'Disinformation Governance Board' obviously.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by willcipriano on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:55AM (#33718588)
They "shut it down" when it became public due to the backlash[0]. But not really, they just started working in secret. Now we have a secret ministry of truth[1] like some nations have secret police.

[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Bo...

[1]https://libertyjusticecenter.org/media/social-media-censorsh...

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by pessimizer on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @09:31AM (#33719547)
Yes, the disinformation board was actually an attempt to formalize and create some oversight over the ad hoc, unaccountable process that the government has to go through today to pressure media companies to manipulate and censor the public.

I prefer it this way. It's better for people to feel like criminals who whiteboard in backrooms how to manipulate public opinion by laundering prior restraint through putting pressure on the incomes of billionaires. Formalization of this process would just be permanent institutionalization, and the US government has shown throughout the 20c to now that a public board won't prevent abuses, abuses will just be routed around the board.

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by LinuxBender on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:23AM (#33718804)
Forgive the presentation but here is a vlogger [1] discussing the articles behind the MoT.

In summary, there is no link so to speak. There are leaked DM's.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdjQWuJeVqE [video]

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by sonotathrowaway on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:27AM (#33718841)
Probably Putin - you know, the guy that pays him to not leak Russian documents.
Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by philippejara on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:56AM (#33718596)
You mean the fascist that kept bombing a country his own invaded because of "self-defense"? the same one who presided over the biggest government surveillance leak in the entire history, and then made sure to hunt down the leaker into the only place that would provide him safety and now conveniently uses it to discredit him?

Or you mean the fascist warhawk that actually started several wars that ravaged the middle-east and passed the patriot act to give the government untold power over its citizens, both with bipartisan support I might add?

How can Trump be seen with such disdain when at worst he's just a more incompetent version of Obama with a social media addiction and republican slant. The NSA scandal was merely a decade ago, george w bush wasn't that far back either, how short are the memories. If anything his unconditional withdraw of all troops in afghanistan is the biggest anti-fascist action the last 3 presidents have done, although this one action certainly doesn't put him above being one given he wasn't even pulling the breaks on their actions beforehand.

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by jtode on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:21PM (#33726289)
Your text is already faded enough that you must be clear that a lot of folks don't agree with your sentiment here, but let me try to engage constructively here, by pointing out that your text betrays a complete ignorance of what exactly fascism is and how it acts upon societies it infects.

Now if you want to talk about the many times that Democrats and Republicans all had a big lovefest so they could all vote together to invade a country, I'm with you on that, but it's a problem of both parties, as the voting record clearly demonstrates.

What's been happening the last decade or so is another thing entirely.

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by philippejara on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:12PM (#33734474)
> Your text is already faded enough that you must be clear that a lot of folks don't agree with your sentiment here

Funnily enough, so is yours.

What I highlighted pointed towards government becoming increasingly overbearing and ramping up surveillance on its citizens(NSA and patriot act), military extremism(patriot act again and the middle east), paternalism over other cultures(fear that the people would choose the "wrong"side in a country they invaded as an excuse to keep troops or to install proxy governments), and the list goes on.

You're at a point that covering true stories like the hunter biden laptop(that now journalists are verifying its authenticity) have made people like glenn greenwald persona non-grata in mainstream journalism circles, while having the intelligence agencies saying it is false. You have people that risked and are paying with their life to make information known to the public demonized because apparently leaking things about the candidate I like is bad, regardless of it being true. You have people asking for oversight for the contributions to Ukraine being labelled as russian assets(ie:enemy of our great state). You have intelligence agencies being labelled as some all knowing benevolent protectors of the populace not even a decade after the NSA leaks. The only thing that could be disguising it is because as it stands mostly the democrats seem to be on this publically, but make no mistake the moment push comes to shove the republicans will also take such position as they had taken before trump, and with thunderous applause from the "bipartisan" population if the current outlook is something to go by.

Fascism has been acting on the american society for a long time, Trump just coincidentally showed where the allegiances lied once someone that wasn't a career politician took over, luckily for them the man was an incompetent buffoon with his own laundry list of problems who got assimilated into the machine very fast, even if he would say otherwise.

If all of this for you isn't clear signs of fascism and instead trump, who mostly just inherited the actions of his predecessors is(making him just as much as the others I might add), we'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Re:WikiLeaks is struggling to stay online as millions of doc... by jtode on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:00PM (#33737186)
Again, you need to study up on the difference between fascism and other forms of authoritarian government. If you said that the US government has been becoming more authoritarian we would have no argument, because it absolutely has been doing that, but it has only been going fascist for a very short time, relatively speaking. Many bad things happened in the last fifty years, but this is something worse that a bunch of people seem to be convinced is something better. A conflagration that they are mistaking for a light at the end of a tunnel.

Fascism arises from a bad economy and a population who feel that they have no prospects or future. This tends to create a lot of angry young men hanging out in the streets, with nothing but time and cheap beer on their hands - a resource for sociopathic power seekers.

Whether these young men are Germans living under the absurd conditions of the Versailles treaty, lads from the trampled working class in Thatcher's England, or Americans working under late stage capitalism with No Child Left Behind Act schools, the fascist always works from the same playbook: Stoke the anger, and provide a convenient, nearly always racialized scapegoat outsider, then promise to do something about those outsiders with a never-ending reign of power as the actual goal.

One way to spot a fascist is, if they lose legitimate elections, they will attempt things like insurrections where they storm capital buildings. It's like a dark spot on the society's x-ray.

Those putsches don't always succeed, but as far as getting a movement of armed thugs to fight in the streets, the playbook works every time. The Republican party has been showing signs of a willingness to engage in Fascist behavior for decades, ever since they embraced the Southern Strategy, which even [Barry Goldwater](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/777519-mark-my-word-if-and-...) said would be the death of the party. And here we are, living with the GOP that he predicted would come as a result of their doing just that.

You bring up the NSA's surveillance, the Patriot Act, the various foreign wars that everyone except Bernie voted for with a rah rah rah - these all happened under GOP presidents, with a compliant, cooperative Democratic party that got behind the president, supposedly for the safety of the nation. This is the opposite of fascism.

I leave it to you whether you're gonna choose to notice the clear difference between the recent actions of the two parties, and I hope at the very least you can employ the right terminologies. Sometime in the early aughts I got into it with a Bush cheerleader who kept saying things like "You don't understand the philosophy of terrorism. Terrorists make women wear robes that cover their entire bodies and their societies are like, sexist!" That's what your use of the term "Fascism" reads like.