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Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by bobsmooth on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:53AM (#33689643)
You can't change the wake word because a separate, dedicated chip is listening for it and is not connected to the rest of the device except to wake up the main processor.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by vidarh on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:34AM (#33689886)
Then they could at least provide more than one option. Though while far from perfect, one of the things I like about Alexa/Echo more than the ability to change it, is that with multiple devices you will generally only trigger one (the others within earshot will listen and then ignore it once one of them has picked it up; works well in my house at least apart from one place where echo/reflection sometimes causes one in another room to get preference, but even then only one device usually triggers). Sounds like that was the main problem for GP.

Most of the time I can just turn in the general direction of the device I want to "listen".

Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by causi on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:41AM (#33689919)
Yep. Echoes also don't make you pause after the wake word, so you can actually talk to it naturally. Also, when you tell them to shut up they shut up. The way Google Homes throw a tantrum when you're rude to them will make you want to reach through the cable line and strangle the arrogant son of a bitch who OK'd something that pointlessly infuriating.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by bobsmooth on Monday November 21, 2022 @03:13AM (#33690110)
I've found that my Home Mini works best if I don't pause after saying the wake command.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by stavros on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:29AM (#33690993)
Seriously, what the hell were they thinking? If I'm so frustrated at a device that I'll tell it to shut up, the last thing I want from it is more noise.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by ocdtrekkie on Monday November 21, 2022 @08:33AM (#33692280)
I've read a few times about the concerns people have with voice assistants, which all predominantly default to female voices, taking orders and abuse without question. I believe Cortana was also intended to "stand up for herself" in these situations, to avoid making it seem okay/normal to bark abusive orders at a "woman".
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by jstarfish on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:16PM (#33698842)
Great idea. When an aggressive man starts hurling verbal abuse at a robot with some female traits, let's antagonize him further with woke rhetoric from the safety of a remote datacenter.

With that sort of reinforcement, his next unfavorable encounter with an actual human female will surely end well.

Does nobody even try to de-escalate situations anymore? The most advanced AI in the world can't slink away quietly, wait until he calms down and try to correct these sorts of behaviors by promoting the idea that he'd slay it in bed, lose weight or grow a monster dong if he read this self-help book (now 20% off!) about treating women with respect? An incorporeal AI with goddamn control of a smart home can't walk through a hostage negotiation playbook to manipulate a violent occupant into submission? Clearly domestic violence is an impossible problem to solve.

It pains me to see people (usually women) encouraging vulnerable women to "stand up for [themselves]" in situations even armed male cops won't approach without backup from other armed men. It's sociopathic-- on par with teenagers encouraging other kids to commit suicide.

Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by bobsmooth on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:46AM (#33703532)
The second my computer starts talking back to me is the second I throw it in the garbage.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by martyvis on Monday November 21, 2022 @07:34AM (#33691823)
Google removed the need to pause after saying the wake word years ago. (Possibly you haven't disabled the acknowledgement beep)
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by kevincox on Monday November 21, 2022 @08:04AM (#33692049)
IIRC it always worked without the pause. Just the beep was picked up by the microphone and made the recognition for that word or two much worse. It would clearly react to things said before the beep.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by mikehodgson on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:07PM (#33695751)
Google devices function the same way when configured properly. The mention of multiple devices responding, and some not knowing about the light, makes me think GP has something set up incorrectly.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by Dylan16807 on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:32AM (#33689879)
Not "because".

Dedicated wakeup chips can be designed to have a different matrix shoved in for the word they're detecting. Google presumably did not do this, but they could have.

Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by bobsmooth on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:40AM (#33691067)
Adding more communication between the main chip and the wake-up chip would leave more room for privacy intrusion.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by ethbr0 on Monday November 21, 2022 @07:40AM (#33691867)
It's not more communication: it's different read-only data in the wake-up chip.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by causi on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:33AM (#33689881)
Considering how warm Google Homes stay even when idle I seriously doubt the main processor is ever going to sleep.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by withinboredom on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:46AM (#33690734)
Heat is dissipated when electricity goes unused too (usually by dumping it in some load resistor) so it’s possible the extra electricity is just generating heat, waiting to go to the processor. I’d lol if they have 5v coming in, and they’re stepping it down to 3.3v for the wake word processor (hence heat) while the main processor runs at 5v.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by dTal on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:43AM (#33691092)
>Heat is dissipated when electricity goes unused too (usually by dumping it in some load resistor)

This isn't true. Your light switches do not heat up to lightbulb temperature when the light is off. Heat is only dissipated when electricity is "used", more or less by definition. You seem to be describing a linear voltage regulator, which does have a load resistor and is wasteful if the step-down distance is large, but no modern electronic circuit would use such a thing in a power supply - it would use a switched-mode buck regulator instead.

Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by causi on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:40AM (#33691068)
Switch mode power supplies don't waste that degree of energy when doing nothing. That's multiple watts, probably at least 5 judging by the temperature, just being pissed away at all times.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by heavenlyblue on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:15AM (#33690902)
They could just have a transformer that doesn't need a resistor for stepping it down
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by lultimouomo on Monday November 21, 2022 @08:10AM (#33692086)
I guess that's why laptops batteries last exactly the same whether the computer is idling or not. Also, the reason they get very hot when you're not doing anything CPU intensive - it's all that unused electricity going to the dump load resistor!
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by ilyt on Monday November 21, 2022 @03:47AM (#33690324)
I doubt that's burned into hardware so it just should have the option to update the fingerprint of the word
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by heavenlyblue on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:13AM (#33690888)
Uhm why is that chip not programmable for any ofher catch phrase?
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by bobsmooth on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:41AM (#33691080)
That would require more communication between the main chip and wake-up chip which could lead to privacy concerns.
Re:“Username cannot contain 'clyde'” by deadbunny on Monday November 21, 2022 @08:30AM (#33692248)
You're installing a box that has a mic sending things you say intentionally and unintentionally (because it thinks you woke it up) to a megacorp. I think privacy is out the window by now.